[Ilgaz]

If Apple is way more interested in iPhone/iPod event and doesn't fix my problems on 10.5.5 which is said to have new graphics drivers.

1) I will move back to 10.4.11
2) Pack my new PC with usual Vista or 2003
3) Call AVID for cross license
4) Plug my SCSI and everything to my new built PC
5) Will make Quad G5 as Linux/YDL home server/security proxy

90% of that decision will be because of Mac community, I am not an idiot and no need to wish me "viruses" or "worms" since my windows systems are always securely configured and I only use original, high end software.

I understand some people good willing to suggest me a graphics card upgrade. Right, lets buy new chip (GPU) to fix Apple's problem. What if same, documented problem hits me on 10.5.9? The price of this machines perfectly working graphics card upgrade is $400 too. I can buy 3 of my favourite Matrox brand cards with that.

I have enough money to order a very high end configured Opto Xeon right now, it can come here in 15 hours but I am not a sheep like person who can be easily abused by Apple. I am also aware that in my business, PC can become way more expensive.

Speak about a serious, documented issue and get your grammar attacked. No, sorry, I am not from USA or UK, English is not my native language. I hope it doesn't disallow me from using ary.. Apple hardware!

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I would probably wait for 10.5.5 to come out. Their is a rumor that alludes to video graphic drivers being updated on this patch. It might prove beneficial for you to be a little patient and see if this last patch addresses your issue. Rumor has it that this patch is right around the corner also. I know that Leopard has been out for a little bit less then a year, and not having your hardware work the way it should would infuriate anybody after this long time.

My main work station, the one that I spend more time with is a G5 also. I am also waiting for this elusive patch to upgrade it to Leopard, even thou I am probably dealing with a deferent graphic card altogether.

[Ilgaz]

The reason I am so frustrated is, (just checked again) my completely detailed, more info than needed, polite bug reports.

There is a bug which I completely documented staying "open" more than 8 months ago. I am definitely sure Apple or Microsoft would PAY for such detailed bug reports from closed beta testers.

I also get kind of "So upgrade to Intel" messages whenever I talk about issues on Leopard. No, as someone said before "I am not paying to fix other people's bugs".

Believe or not, I was planning to upgrade to that 8 core Xeon Mac and postponed it until Quad G5 is fixed. Who knows if 8 core machine doesn't same kind of treatment in 3 years? People saying "So upgrade to 16 core 128bit Intel"... You get what I mean.. :) It has become a really personal issue.

[MacKayaker]

I can appreciate the frustration and I don't excuse Apple in this. The truth is, I haven't moved my PowerPC systems to Leopard because it has shown itself to be slower and there have been issues. It's my opinion, that PowerPC systems shouldn't be run past Tiger - just an opinion - no flames needed. The customers I serve that have Leopard on Intel based systems have seen very few issues - practically none. My MBP handles Leopard, CS3 suite, etc. just fine.



All that to say, life is to short to make big changes (especially on work/production systems) without first checking the water to know the change is okay to make. As a result, I've not experienced any of the frustrations or down time of G5 tower users with Leopard. Again - I'm not excusing Apple, but ultimately choice is mine - it's my system to manage. Leopard really offered little to suggest the move would benefit me anything, so I haven't, though I own a family pack and can install at will - and will once I have a Mac Pro as my primary work system, which I hope to do, with the next iteration, which is, based on previous track record, overdue at this point.

[xichuanwang]

for all those whiners:
quit whinning you sissy babies. apple is still one of the most innovative companies leading the tech sector. they're growing ground on the pc market and their ipod are still retaining their over 80% ridiculous share of the portable mp3 market.
remember, if your ipod doesnt work or your iphone doesnt work whatever, most of the time its end user error.
personally, i cant wait to see what steve jobs and the geniuses at apple are cooking up for the sept 9 annoucement.
i'm still just as excited like a little 8 yr old waiting for christmas morning to open his presents.
-x

[sheilanolan]

Okay, so the fact that on my 3G iphone running 2.0.2 all my 3rd party apps just bounce back to the home screen and I can't access my media is my fault even though I downloaded and synced them according to the instructions. I haven't jailbroken my iphone and am having no problems with my 1st gen phone which is running 2.0. Perhaps you can explain what errors I am making?

[folklore]

sheilanolan said:

Okay, so the fact that on my 3G iphone running 2.0.2 all my 3rd party apps just bounce back to the home screen and I can't access my media is my fault even though I downloaded and synced them according to the instructions. I haven't jailbroken my iphone and am having no problems with my 1st gen phone which is running 2.0. Perhaps you can explain what errors I am making?

Have you contacted Apple?

Obviously, your iPhone 3G isn't behaving as designed. Just as obviously, there are other iPhone 3Gs on the market that are not experiencing the problem you describe. That leads one to believe that there's something idiosyncratic about your phone or your software. I'm not saying it's your fault that your phone is jacked up, I'm only saying that there's clearly something wrong with your phone and/or software that's causing the phone to not function as designed.

Even the best of manufacturing processes yield a few defective products. If your phone is one of those few, it seems that you'd get more mileage out of contacting Apple to fix your phone instead of telling us your phone is broken.

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xichuanwang said:

for all those whiners:

quit whinning you sissy babies. apple is still one of the most innovative companies leading the tech sector. they're growing ground on the pc market and their ipod are still retaining their over 80% ridiculous share of the portable mp3 market.

remember, if your ipod doesnt work or your iphone doesnt work whatever, most of the time its end user error.

personally, i cant wait to see what steve jobs and the geniuses at apple are cooking up for the sept 9 annoucement.

i'm still just as excited like a little 8 yr old waiting for christmas morning to open his presents.

-x

So in other words, you claim Apple can do no harm, it does not make mistakes and all of it's software and hardware work perfectly with out incident, and any or all errors are user related? I like Apple's, heck, I might even consider my self a fan of Apple, but I guess you take the definition of fan to fanboi with a single post.

What makes this even more ironic, my coworker just walked over to attempt to charge his brand new iPhone 3G with my charger, and low and be hold his iPhone is dead. Dead after less then a moth of ownership. Nope, this is not his fault at all. It worked well for a period of time, then it started to crash, to the point of forcing him to restore it 4 times this past holiday weekend.

All I can say, I am so glad that I kept my first generation iPhone. Apple really need to address this fiasco.

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sheilanolan said:

> Even the best of manufacturing processes yield a few defective products. If your phone is one of those few, it seems that you'd get more mileage out of contacting Apple to fix your phone instead of telling us your phone is broken.

Thats just it, I don't think it's just a few at this point. I personally know of three people that have purchased iPhones recently, and they are all experiencing problems. I think it's the software and hardware combination, because my first generation iPhone is working very well indeed, even running the 2.0.2 software updated.

I have like 4 3rd party applications installed on it, so maybe that is one reason I am not experiencing problems. My coworker did have a lot installed on his.

[sheilanolan]

folklore said:

Have you contacted Apple?

Obviously, your iPhone 3G isn't behaving as designed. Just as obviously, there are other iPhone 3Gs on the market that are not experiencing the problem you describe. That leads one to believe that there's something idiosyncratic about your phone or your software. I'm not saying it's your fault that your phone is jacked up, I'm only saying that there's clearly something wrong with your phone and/or software that's causing the phone to not function as designed.

Even the best of manufacturing processes yield a few defective products. If your phone is one of those few, it seems that you'd get more mileage out of contacting Apple to fix your phone instead of telling us your phone is broken.

I am still waiting for a response to an email I sent Apple 9 days ago. There is no Apple store anywhere near me so I can't just go in or book an appointment to see a "genius". I know of several people who've had replacement phones and yet the problem has still happened with their replacements. Maybe I'm just unlucky, who knows? It's a shame really as my other Apple products have been fine and I've been really happy to stick with them and will continue to do so in the hope that this gets sorted out.

[folklore]

Grapho said:

Thats just it, I don't think it's just a few at this point. I personally know of three people that have purchased iPhones recently, and they are all experiencing problems. I think it's the software and hardware combination, because my first generation iPhone is working very well indeed, even running the 2.0.2 software updated.

There are two math problems here. First, a small percentage of a large number is still a large number. That is, with millions of iPhone 3Gs sold, there's sure to be more than a couple defective iPhone 3Gs out there. Second, I know everyone likes to use the "I know X people that have Y problem" argument, but from a statistical standpoint that's not evidence of anything. Humans tend to experience the world that way, but it's an anecdotal argument.

I'm not saying you're wrong. There may well be a huge problem with the iPhone 3G. What I am saying is that it is not possible to tell whether there is or is not a problem from anecdotal accounts. That's true no matter how many anecdotal accounts you have, largely because there's no way to determine a base rate of failure from anecdotal accounts. We just don't have enough information to say whether there is or is not a problem.

The truth of it is that only Apple and AT&T have the data required to determine if there's a widespread problem with the iPhone 3G. Scientifically conducted surveys of users could also figure out if there are widespread problems, but I seriously doubt any forum posters here have conducted surveys of users.

[folklore]

sheilanolan said:

I am still waiting for a response to an email I sent Apple 9 days ago. There is no Apple store anywhere near me so I can't just go in or book an appointment to see a "genius". I know of several people who've had replacement phones and yet the problem has still happened with their replacements. Maybe I'm just unlucky, who knows? It's a shame really as my other Apple products have been fine and I've been really happy to stick with them and will continue to do so in the hope that this gets sorted out.

That is frustrating. Nine days is too long.

FWIW, I've generally had a good experience when calling Apple about warranty issues. I've had my share of problems over the years, mostly relating to an iBook my wife had a few years ago.

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Grapho said:

> Thats just it, I don't think it's just a few at this point. I personally know of three people that have purchased iPhones recently, and they are all experiencing problems. I think it's the software and hardware combination, because my first generation iPhone is working very well indeed, even running the 2.0.2 software updated.


There are two math problems here. First, a small percentage of a large number is still a large number. That is, with millions of iPhone 3Gs sold, there's sure to be more than a couple defective iPhone 3Gs out there. Second, I know everyone likes to use the "I know X people that have Y problem" argument, but from a statistical standpoint that's not evidence of anything. Humans tend to experience the world that way, but it's an anecdotal argument.

I'm not saying you're wrong. There may well be a huge problem with the iPhone 3G. What I am saying is that it is not possible to tell whether there is or is not a problem from anecdotal accounts. That's true no matter how many anecdotal accounts you have, largely because there's no way to determine a base rate of failure from anecdotal accounts. We just don't have enough information to say whether there is or is not a problem.

The truth of it is that only Apple and AT&T have the data required to determine if there's a widespread problem with the iPhone 3G. Scientifically conducted surveys of users could also figure out if there are widespread problems, but I seriously doubt any forum posters here have conducted surveys of users.

You are right, it's purely anecdotal, but I sure as heck will not be recommending the iPhone to anyone I know. Also, why would Macworld, of all publications, have a story on flakey iPhone 2.0 software. Sure, it could also be anecdotal, but both Macworld editors stated the same thing I am saying, no recommendation at this point. And most important, I will not be upgrading mine any time soon.

Their is a spanish saying that goes: If you hear the river, it must be because the water is flowing.

[xichuanwang]

I do believe that Apple as a company like any other company do make mistakes in their hardware/software. Their a corporate commodity runned by humans that obviously arent perfect and will make mistakes therefore the company will have mistakes.

I just believe, and I'm sure alot of people will agree, their software AND hardware still work faster, smoother, more efficient than any other piece out there on the market today. I'm not a fanboi, but I am a fan and a loyal fan of companies that produce products that actually works and works well MOST of the time. To say all the time is ignorant.

About the iphone 3g, I own one myself and I absolutely love it. Sure, sometimes the software from app store crashes, but for the most part, I'm pretty pleased with it. I'd say about 85% happy with it. Are their problems left with it? Sure, can Apple do better? Probably. Does Apple know about all the problems people are having? Maybe.