[lexsky]

Seems like so much anger for one product. Remember one Man's Garbage could be another Man's Treasure it all depends on your taste. PEACE!

[lexsky]

I thinks what Steve was reffering to was the built in speakers that is now a standard on the new ipod touch. He said something like "It's not for audiophiles but for casual listeners" something like that.

[gnoter]

I have officially sent this text to Apple, Inc., prior to posting them here. As such, I gave Apple, Inc., sole ownership of these interface concepts, owing me nothing. As such, posting them here in MacWorld's forum does not give MacWorld or anyone else in the world ownership of these ideas. Of course, someone could try to file a patent on these ideas if they think they can, to try to get royalties from whomever uses them; good luck!

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I have iTunes 8 and iPhone 2.1 software installed.
They are still a BAD lot of software updates, GUI-speaking.

So, the word is definitely out that games are THE biggest seller on iPhone/Touch 2.x devices from the App Store.

I'm NOT one of them who has a slew of games installed.
Rather, I have 5 screens of 'productive' apps / icons, or 80 apps total, as there are 16 apps per screen.
So, even if you have 5 screens of 'game' apps, you're in the same boat as I: The HELLish management of those icons.
Let's even concede that you may only have 3 screens, that's 48 apps. Or lets even concede that you have 48 apps, but choose to use 5 screens, sort of "grouping" apps on each screen.

Thus, working with ANY of these scenarios, have you ever tried to move an app from the MAIN / homescreen to the 5th screen? DAMN this is friggin' frustrating.

Why haven't any reviewers on MacWorld, TMO, iPod Observer, MacNN, etc., (Rob Griffiths, Roman Loyola, etc. ) totally dogged Apple for not providing a better means to "manage" these apps?

Specifically, that when you install a new app, it gets posted to the first available spot on your iPhone/Touch. THen you have to move it to where you want it, trying to drag it to whatever screen you prefer.

Then there's the RESTORE NIGHTMARE of those 48 to 80 apps. The are all reinstalled. No problem there.
The nightmare comes in re-organizing all these apps on the screen(s) you prefer.

Here are the two methods which need to be implemented in iTunes 8.0.1 and iPhone/Touch 2.1.1:

1) iTunes 8.0.1: The ability to group the icons on a 'screen', similar to manual playlists for songs. I recommend they call them "ScreenLists". When viewing the Applications list, you can choose to view icons by "ScreenList", actually seeing an iPhone/Touch like screen wherein wherein you can 'drag' the apps between the various screens in the order you desire them to appear.
- Secondly, create a NEW screen when installing new apps, versus tossing the app in the first available spot. Let the user then decide where to put the app icon.
- Thirdly, let the user 'name' each screen for their own category focus.

2) iPhone/Touch 2.1.1:
- A list-view of all installed apps, alphabetical, just like the Artists or Playlist or Songs lists. There'd be an alphabet scroll area on the right, too. The user can quickly view and click the app they want to launch, versus having to hunt for the darn thing on which screen it is on.

- What about installing apps on the iPhone/Touch? Install the app in the last screen, creating a new one if necessary.
- Provide the ability for the user to be able to organize which screen an app is to appear on (basically a ScreenList editor).

- Put a 'button' (touch area) to the left of the battery presenting a list of category screens the user can jump to. THis would be 2 touches (clicks) versus the 4+ swipes (touches/clicks) the user would need to do to get to a preferred category that is on screen 4 or later.

I'm a 10-year Apple veteran and a former team member of the Apple User Interface Group in the late 80's. I solved 3 of the top 5 issues the (then) HyperCard team was facing in the final weeks before HyperCard was introduced; and in a weekend at that. There's my credentials, for what their worth.

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Life is rough, they you fly or fry.

[gnoter]

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[SeanoVox]

MyMac8MyPC said:

...they should have increased the memory size of the Touch. a measly 32 gigs is a bit undersized and outdated, especially for something as 'high end' as the Touch is 'supposed' to be. ....

32 gigs is small, but it is still bigger than the 16 gigs on my iPhone. most apps don't take to much space, but Video is the real memory hog on my iPhone. Do I want more storage? Yes. who, doesn't? but is it a big problem? not really

[sam808]

Apple can reshape it, repaint it, shake and bake it but can't incorporate an FM radio. Shouldn't be that hard, you can find them in $50 mp3 players. I know Apple likes to control almost everything but access to the airwaves isn't going to shake the Empire!