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First Look: iTunes 8.0

#43 User is online   tallscot Icon

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 07:29 AM

BoxOfSnoo said:

This release is a disaster!

I sync my files between two machines, and have different libraries between them. This has always been fine since I have the same naming convention set in the preferences. Except now they REMOVED the option to have the track number prepended to the filename. So when I consolidated one library it renamed every single file and broke the other library completely.

I don't know the easiest way to fix this. I may end up losing all of my ratings and play counts.


Look for an AppleScript that does it:
http://dougscripts.c...tunes/index.php
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 07:35 AM

I consolidated on my Mac, and broke it on Windows... so a script won't work unless I did it the other way around.

Apple could fix this by allowing me to turn off numbering...
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 07:43 AM

BoxOfSnoo said:

I consolidated on my Mac, and broke it on Windows... so a script won't work unless I did it the other way around.

Apple could fix this by allowing me to turn off numbering...


So use a Windows file name script:
http://www.filebuzz.com/files/FileRenameVb/1.html
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#46 User is offline   BoxOfSnoo Icon

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:11 AM

No way, that would break things worse. I need something - like the iTunes script - that uses the iTunes Library information to fix things. Kinda like iTunes would do if they put back the option not to force track numbers in filenames.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:35 AM

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Clearly you do not understand what the ?Keep iTunes Music folder organized? preference does. ;) iTunes will not scatter files all over you hard drive as doing so would be poor database design.

True, ITUNES doesn't scatter my files around, but I do :)
>All of you music files whether ripped or downloaded from the iTunes Store will always be dumped either into your iTunes Music folder (default) or the music folder you designate in iTunes? preferences as the location of your library. If you acquire music from other sources, then you should make a point of having the files placed in your music folder.
Which is PRECISELY what that feature of iTunes does for me. If I download an mp3 from Amazon, for example, it winds up in my downloads folder, and without this feature I would have to make a point of moving it. With this feature, I just double click the file, and iTunes takes care of it. Granted, I still have to clean up my downloads folder every few months, but this way all I have to do is select a bunch of files and hit delete, rather than moving the music while still having to delete other stuff. Not a huge deal, but it does save a step :)

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What the organization preference does is structure the contents of that music folder. If you left it disabled, all of your music files would simply be in your designated music folder. The only organization of the files would be the sorting preference you have when you browse the content of that folder in the Finder. With the preference enabled, iTunes creates artist sub-folders within your designated music folder and album sub-folders within those artist folders that contain the songs for that album. So it is the difference between having AC/DC?s Hells Bells contained in ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music (no organization) and ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/AC_DC/Back In Black (organized). It is not a matter of reducing clutter; the preference creates a structured file system within your designated music folder.

Actually, it's both. As I have pointed out, with the ways I acquire music, it does reduce clutter. Not to mention that even not going into the folder often, having a single folder containing thousands of files is not a good thing.

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That is actually what the library consolidation function is for (File > Library > Consolidate Library?). Library consolidation?gathering media files from various directories then moving or copying them into a single central music (library) folder?is completely independent of organizing that music folder. You can consolidate your music library and still have an unorganized music folder.

Ah, good point. I had forgotten about that feature. However, even so that would require me to manually run that option every few months, wheras having the "keep organized" takes care of it all automatically. At any rate, the fact is I DO find the feature useful, even if I am not using it as intended, and since I find the feature useful, it is safe to say others do. ergo, your blanket statement that the feature in it's current form is useless is not correct. :) And with that, I bow out of this discussion. Been a pleasure debating with you! :)
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:05 AM

Maybe it is concerns about piracy but I do not understand how this restriction has much impact on piracy. If you watch the HD file via AppleTV, don't you still have to play the actual HD file from the computer? It seems that the only thing that they restrict is that you cannot play the file, located on your computer, on the monitor hooked to that computer. You have to play the movie broadcast to a TV via AppleTV. It seems like they just want to force people to buy an otherwise useless AppleTV device (useless in the case of people who have the computer hooked directly to the TV).

I am curious. If you BUY an HD movie from Apple and then you have that movie on your computer, can't you then play it to a TV via something other than iTunes? Wouldn't Quicktime or some other movie player be able to play the file directly to a TV hooked to the computer as a monitor.

I tried AppleTV but did not like it much. I much prefer to have a minimac hooked to the TV --- except for this silly restriction that does not allow HD movies to be played by itunes to the monitor.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:09 AM

HD movies can only be rented, not purchased. And they can only be rented on an Apple TV, so there's no streaming going on from a computer.

-rob.

Edit: Fixed inaccurate reference to "purchasing" on an Apple TV.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:21 AM

Count yourselves lucky. I'm in the UK and none of that lovely free HD stuff is available in the UK store. X-(
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:47 AM

Re: Equalizer
Have you noticed that the Equalizer is now under Window instead of View? All the help instructions are still describing it as under view.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:29 AM

You can change an audio file type from Music to Audiobook, which forces those files to go into the Audiobook section of iTunes. Yet, those files don't change in behavior at all. They will not be bookmarkable and they will not play at variable speeds on an iPod. If they are AAC files (.m4a), they will still be m4a files.

I'm not clear on the benefit of this.

If I take my mp3 files or m4a files and run the QuickConvert AppleScript, I can turn them into .m4b files that are automatically marked as Audiobooks, that are bookmarkable, and that will play at variable speeds on an iPod. Fortunately, the latest version of QuickConvert from Doug's Applescripts still works in iTunes 8.0.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:50 PM

Thanks for the info on disabling links to the iTunes store. It was annoying when I saw it in use at the apple store, especially when selecting multiple tracks.
Apple could add a link to the iTunes store as a menu item in the ctrl-click (right-click) contextual menu, or something else that's not so "in your face".
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:03 PM

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If I download an mp3 from Amazon, for example, it winds up in my downloads folder, and without this feature I would have to make a point of moving it. With this feature, I just double click the file, and iTunes takes care of it.


The preference to ?Keep iTunes Music folder organized? explicitly states in the preference pane:

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?Places files into album and artist folders, and names the files based on the disc number, track number, and the song title.?


The ?organized music folder? preference does not copy or move files into your music folder, but instead determines how music files placed in that folder by iTunes are organized within that folder. The reason your downloaded music files are placed in your music folder is because:
bq. 1. iTunes is your default music player so when you double click on a compatible music file iTunes commences playback of that file. 2. As iTunes is your default audio player, double-clicking an audio file to play it also adds the song to your iTunes library. 3. I would bet just about anything that you have ?Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library? preference enabled in your iTunes preferences and consequently songs you add to your iTunes library are copied to your music folder automatically.
So again, you have misinterpreted the ?organized music folder? preference?s function and purpose. I have also gone through the trouble of verifying this functionality.

I copied a song that I do not have from a roommate?s CD onto my desktop after disabling the ?copy files? preference. When I double-clicked the file it began playing in iTunes and was added to my iTunes library. The file does not appear in my music folder but is instead being played from the file stored on the desktop. When I go into the Summary tab of the track?s information dialog box its location is shown as the desktop. To insure that this was not specific to uncompressed AIFF files pulled directly from CDs, I converted the file to AAC and performed the same procedure to the same end. iTunes does not add the file to my music folder if the ?copy files? preference is disabled.

The reasons you do not have to go through the trouble of consolidating your library is because you are adding content to your iTunes library and have the preference to have those songs automatically copied to your music folder enabled. You have the functionality of the various preferences confused, macavenger , but it is understandable as we tend to be familiar with the features that are used regularly more so than those that are set and forget. :)

So for those not in the know this is how the library management preferences/functions operate:

bq. Keep iTunes Music folder organized As the text under the preference clearly indicates, when enabled this preference organizes the contents of the user?s default or designated iTunes Music folder into album and artist folders, and names the individual song files accordingly. Thus, enabling this feature is the difference between simply placing files in a given file room as they come (preference disabled) and creating a file system under which those files are sorted and stored so that a person can easily retrieve files from that room at a later time (preference enabled). The use of this preference has no impact on any media files outside of the user?s designated iTunes music folder. It does not consolidate the user?s library nor does it move or copy music files from other locations on the user?s hard drive(s).
bq. Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library When enabled, this preference creates a copy of a media file in the user?s default or designated iTunes music folder when they add the content to the iTunes library. How that content is stored in the iTunes music folder depends on the status of the ?organize music folder? preference, but the two preferences otherwise perform completely different independent functions.
bq. Adding Files to the iTunes Library Files may be added to the iTunes library by either double-clicking them in the Finder to play them, dragging and dropping them into the iTunes window, or going to File > Add to Library.... The location of the media file to which the iTunes library creates its link depends on the status of the ?copy files? preference. If that preference is disabled, then the iTunes library links to the file in its original location. If the ?copy file? preference is enabled then the file is copied to the user?s default or designated iTunes music folder, then the iTunes library creates a link to that copy.
bq. Consolidating Libraries The user can consolidate (merge) an existing or recently attached music library to their main iTunes library by going to File > Library > Consolidate Library.... The consolidation feature copies the contents of the external library into the user?s default or designated iTunes music folder. How those files are stored within that folder is determined by the status of the ?organize music folder? preference. The intent of the consolidation feature is not to add single files to the iTunes library as doing so would be more work than is necessary. If the user acquires files from sources other than ripping CDs and downloading from the iTunes Store, then they should enable the ?copy files? preference and add songs to their iTunes library using on of the methods described above.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:14 PM

Is it just me, or is the new HD content not available outside the USA?

When are Apple going to realise that while the USA may be there core market, it is actually very small compared to the potential world market. Stop screwing the rest of us over!

Before I get flamed - I am not having a go at America, I am having a go at Apple.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:21 PM

Seems to be a lot of fuss about nothing. I download 40 tracks from e-music each month, they go to my e-music folder and then it takes a couple of clicks to add the folder to my itunes library. If I download music from anywhere else, I always choose "save as" and put it in my music folder. Simple really.
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