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Posted 07 October 2008 - 04:59 AM

heimdall said:

Those who buy Kindles, though, are far more likely to use them.


Probably. I wouldn't really consider the iPhone or iPod touch ideal for reading books either. However, the Kindle hasn't exactly taken off either. The fact that just one of the available (recently released) e-book readers for the iPhone has already eclipsed the total number of Kindle's sold is a very dangerous sign for Kindle. The iPhone may eventually prove to be more popular for this task because it's not a big and bulky device. Further, it's a device that people will take with them for a variety of other reasons besides reading books.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 05:23 AM

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but a market? oh yeah, there's one out there. trees everywhere are counting on it.


Perhaps, but I don't think Kindle is it. The form factor and technologies have to be right. Imagine something like a 5 x 7 flat screen device that's super thin. Imagine a device with a color display (possibly OLED) with iPhone like touch screen capabilities. Imagine that same device multifunction as a web browser (WiFi), picture / movie / music player. Imagine a device like that available at a reasonable price (under $500). That would be a much more compelling device.

If an electronic device is going to be used for a single function (like Kindle), it should be better than the alternative (actual books), but it's not. If you have a multifunction device, people are more willing to make sacrifices for the sake of convenience. If someone like Apple were to create a 5x7 like tablet, many of the reading barriers would be removed and a whole new platform would be created. I don't think the market would be as big as the mobile phone market, but it doesn't need to be if Apple dominates this product category. Archos already has something like this (minus the book reader part). Remember, Archos had something like the iPod before Apple as well.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 05:26 AM

For now, at least, the iPhone or something like that seems like the casual choice, but if electronic books become a factor as text books, I believe the laptop will be the vehicle.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:12 AM

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and unlike most people, nearly all students still do read books. they have to to graduate.


I laughed out loud at that. From looking at my student's test scores, you'd never guess that they actually read the textbook. ;)

As an educator, I see two issues with etextbooks in college: Annotation and used book sales.

First, good college students quickly learn to underline/highlight and write margin notes in their books. Even with the most permissive format and good tools (PDF and Acrobat Pro) it's still more cumbersome to mark up and write notes in electronic formats than it is to use a pen on paper. This is why I always print academic journal articles despite searching for and retrieving the article electronically. It's simply easier to write on the paper than it is to muck about with some technology. There are several publishers now that have both paper and e-copies of their books (usually HTML) and most folks I know would rather buy the book, even when the e-copy is cheaper.

Second, used book sales. It's not simply that used books are somewhat profitable to the book store. Used book sales drive the entire textbook industry. Ever wonder why your calculus textbook was in its 12th edition, despite the fact that calc really hasn't changed since Newton? By the 12th ed, they should have the errors fixed, so that's not it. About two or three years after the release of a new edition, used book sales almost completely cannibalize the sale of new books and publishers can't make money from that title any more. Used books probably drive the cost of new books up because of this. Publishers jack up the price on the book in anticipation of losing sales to the used market in the later years of that edition. This has gotten worse in the past ten years, since the internet facilitates national used book buying and selling by even the smallest campus bookstores.

Publishers would probably love to see etextbooks take off on college campuses. They could DRM the living hell out of the books, not allow sellbacks, cut out the middlemen and sell direct to students, and no longer feel pressure to publish a new edition from the used book market. Publishers could therefore make a killing with etextbooks, even if they lowered the retail costs of the books somewhat. But, since students are used to paying $100-200 per textbook now, I doubt that publishers would lower the retail price much.

So, in the end, the publishers would increase their profit margins, campus bookstores could very well go out of business, and students would end up with a less usable but similarly priced book that's not updated nearly as often as their paper books were.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:23 AM

After using my iPhone for 6 months it amazes me that the Kindle has physical buttons, especially on the sides of the thing where people are likely to grab or hold onto it. Why not simply have the next, back, next chapter (or whatever) buttons on-screen with a touch interface? Surely this would make the Kindle smaller, with a slimmer bezel, and much less easy to accidentally turn a page when you don't want to.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:53 AM

lwdesign said:

Why not simply have the next, back, next chapter (or whatever) buttons on-screen with a touch interface?


Because it's not a screen, it's e-paper.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:13 AM

"When reading for pleasure, I typically only read one book at a time - and usually a paperback that I can easily stuff into a pocket"

Heh,

When I'm on vacation, or traveling on business, I'll go through a book fairly quickly. Four or five books over a week's trip isn't uncommon, and like I said, the iPod Touch or PalmOS device takes up less volume than even a single paperback.

"The real upside to ebooks, as I see it, is that the costs of production are lower."

Sadly, most publishers can't seem to figure this out, and price their ebooks pretty close to their paper stock.

And then they wonder why the ebooks don't sell all that well. A few publishers have caught a clue, pricing-wise, but most of them are still wandering around apparently dazed and confused.

Sort of like the music industry and digital distribution.
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