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You can start here to investigate the poorly soldered logic boards on Mac G5s.
http://discussions.apple.co /thread.jspa?messageID=8179114
The poorly soldered Logic Board connections was the reason my G5 fried, so I ended up looking up information about it. Apple Macs are not perfect.
I personally don't plan on buying any more Macs, but I will look into installing OS X on my PCs, if and when Psystar is blocked from selling OS X on their current line of computers.
Good Luck to Apple, but I've seen the light and don't feel I need to have a Mac Pro for $3000 + to do my digital audio and video film work.
It's too bad I've invested so much money into Apple specific software, but hind sight is always 20/20. My future investments will be different.
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 12:19 PM
jman3001 said:
You can start here to investigate the poorly soldered logic boards on Mac G5s.
http://discussions.apple.co /thread.jspa?messageID=8179114
http://discussions.apple.co /thread.jspa?messageID=8179114
Your link does not work very well, kind of like "your Macs".
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The poorly soldered Logic Board connections was the reason my G5 fried, so I ended up looking up information about it. Apple Macs are not perfect.
Your problem is that you can get it through your mind that NOT ALL Macs are troublesome like yours. Not everybody is having issues with their Macs and the IMMENSE majority of us are quite happy with the performance and stability of our systems.
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I personally don't plan on buying any more Macs, but I will look into installing OS X on my PCs, if and when Psystar is blocked from selling OS X on their current line of computers.
Sure, until you realize that Apple has implemented a special chip to prevent you from installing OSX on any run of the mill PC.
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Good Luck to Apple, but I've seen the light and don't feel I need to have a Mac Pro for $3000 + to do my digital audio and video film work.
I thought you already had a Mac Pro?, or where you just yanking our chain?
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It's too bad I've invested so much money into Apple specific software, but hind sight is always 20/20. My future investments will be different.
Man, apparently you make your living with this software, so you can complain all you want, but in a very direct way you have personally gained from Apple software, so don't try to sound regretful because you only lose even more credibility than what you have already dispensed. Windows has ALWAYS been an option. Albeit a weaker one. You could have, from the start chosen that route, you didn't. Funny, you give one broken link to an Apple board where you would expect to see nothing but complains. The millions of users like my self that do not have problems, do not visit that forum to let others know how well our systems are running. By the way, I am typing this on a G5 dual core 2005 system that has always worked. I guess it got soldered right. :-)
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Posted 08 January 2009 - 04:39 AM
jman3001:
That Apple Discussions thread is either gone (not unusual for Apple to remove threads), or your link is incorrect, so I can't read what it had to say about badly soldered G5 logic boards. However, I've fixed Macs since 1985, including a number of G5s (both tower and iMac), and I don't recall seeing logic board soldering problems with either model. What people did see as the cause for most iMac G5 failures, was counterfeit electrolytic capacitors (they leaked and exploded) that Apple bought, but unfortunately a lot of other electronics manufacturers got burned buying them too--makers of TVs, stereos, etc. Apple can't be blamed for that, and the same or some other parts quality problem could happen to PsyStar, technically. Secondary to the bad caps in the iMac G5s, were some mysterious (to me) issues with their thermal regulation and/or sensing circuitry, causing the fans to run too much sometimes. The main failures in the tower G5s were the aforementioned thermal regulation/fan issues, and dead processor modules (maybe bad soldering? But that's not the logic board).
I'm not completely defending Apple's quality control, by any means, but thought I'd just be a stickler for detail.
If PsyStar doesn't incorporate hardware that works with the thermal regulation software in OS X, but instead just uses quiet fans that run all the time, or have their own thermal regulators, then that would be one hardware quality strike in PsyStar's favor. As I understand it, PsyStar has good overall hardware quality control, but besides their possible simplified approach to cooling, I can't think of anything they do better than Apple, hardware-wise, and several things that aren't as well-done. But hardware issues aside, and focusing just on the issue of wanting a cheaper Mac--I think the argument is in Apple's favor. Many good reasons have been raised here, but if nothing else, as has been observed here, Apple takes all the risk and does all the work developing OS X, and pays for part of that development through hardware sales, which makes up the bulk of Apple's profit, by far. And by taking the risk and doing the development, they have the right to make their profits from their hardware, beyond their development costs, enforced by the courts if necessary. They don't hold a monopoly on the desktop, and a company can't be held to have a monopoly on a particular product, at least not in this case, or else no company could have a trademark, copyright, etc.
That Apple Discussions thread is either gone (not unusual for Apple to remove threads), or your link is incorrect, so I can't read what it had to say about badly soldered G5 logic boards. However, I've fixed Macs since 1985, including a number of G5s (both tower and iMac), and I don't recall seeing logic board soldering problems with either model. What people did see as the cause for most iMac G5 failures, was counterfeit electrolytic capacitors (they leaked and exploded) that Apple bought, but unfortunately a lot of other electronics manufacturers got burned buying them too--makers of TVs, stereos, etc. Apple can't be blamed for that, and the same or some other parts quality problem could happen to PsyStar, technically. Secondary to the bad caps in the iMac G5s, were some mysterious (to me) issues with their thermal regulation and/or sensing circuitry, causing the fans to run too much sometimes. The main failures in the tower G5s were the aforementioned thermal regulation/fan issues, and dead processor modules (maybe bad soldering? But that's not the logic board).
I'm not completely defending Apple's quality control, by any means, but thought I'd just be a stickler for detail.
If PsyStar doesn't incorporate hardware that works with the thermal regulation software in OS X, but instead just uses quiet fans that run all the time, or have their own thermal regulators, then that would be one hardware quality strike in PsyStar's favor. As I understand it, PsyStar has good overall hardware quality control, but besides their possible simplified approach to cooling, I can't think of anything they do better than Apple, hardware-wise, and several things that aren't as well-done. But hardware issues aside, and focusing just on the issue of wanting a cheaper Mac--I think the argument is in Apple's favor. Many good reasons have been raised here, but if nothing else, as has been observed here, Apple takes all the risk and does all the work developing OS X, and pays for part of that development through hardware sales, which makes up the bulk of Apple's profit, by far. And by taking the risk and doing the development, they have the right to make their profits from their hardware, beyond their development costs, enforced by the courts if necessary. They don't hold a monopoly on the desktop, and a company can't be held to have a monopoly on a particular product, at least not in this case, or else no company could have a trademark, copyright, etc.
