[heisetax]

that's why I say that Apple is all about trinkets now rather than having the computer sized to do the job.

Having the 17" Intel MacBook Pro being 1" thick is nice to the eyes, but means that certain things must be given up, like an easy to replace battery, or one that would run 12 hrs rated or an actual 8-9 hrs. of real work. Or many of the other things we'd like to see in our laptops, like FW in the Intel MacBook.

No wonder there is so much interest in the Mac Clones. Switching from the Mac OS to Windows is not a chice. Using other than Apple Mac hardware is.

[Biallystock]

drwatcher

You are Apple's ideal customer now, one who goes "Oh, shiny!" and is easily distracted.

The fatuous suggestions of buy a tiny laptop, or pay twice as much, or throw away all your work and software and switch, are just that. Fatuous.

DocNo

It is obvious that you think differently from me. You may choose to not see the reflections, you may even choose not to see the curvature of the Earth, but that does not mean neither exists. Some things are independent of opinion.

You obviously know that "sadly many people have seemed to have formed opinions based solely on the vocal minority on the Internet or 20 minutes of use in an Apple store".

Whereas my ill-informed "opinion" is from 7 months use of having that bonus layer in PhotoShop. I just wish I could label it "Reflection" and turn it off.

As Galileo famously said "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

He also reputedly muttered after recanting, on pain of death, that the Earth moves around the Sun, "and yet it moves".

Contrary to the Creative Scientists amongst us, glossy screens reflect. My heresy stands.

[drwatcher]

Biallystock,

You are nobody's customer. You prefer to arrogantly argue idiotic points rather than do something to solve your problems.

Your suggestions of classifying Apple's customer base as an ignorant group only capable of making purchasing decisions based on whether it's shiny and tiny is ludicrously stupid. And your comments about paying twice as much and throw away all your work and software and start over are equally stupid and without weight.

It really doesn't matter what Apple produces, you are one of those people that will find even the tiniest flaws and spend all your time bitching about that rather than realizing that there is nothing in the technology industry that is perfect and dealing with the flaws, minor or otherwise. That is reality.

There is an Old English word that describes you perfectly: "whinger: to complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way: stop whingeing and get on with it!"

Let me see, what other substance absent remarks you made...hmmmm ... uh oh ... now you're quoting Galileo. I'm not sure that Galileo would want you quoting him.

I knew Galileo and you sir are no Galileo.

[drwatcher]

"that's why I say that Apple is all about trinkets now rather than having the computer sized to do the job."

This is simply not true. Apple has the Mac Pro for those that need the power, expansion and flexibility. The iMac for the mainstream users and MacBook and MacBook Pro for mobility. Seems like they have all the bases covered to me.

What trinkets? Seems like everything included with a Mac is useful to me. Except maybe the remote control.

I would love to see a list of laptops that have batteries rated at 12 hours. The 17" MacBook Pro has a brand new battery technology that is rated at 8 hours. Who knows how long it will actually run on a single charge. The point is that Apple is at least exploring new ways to think about battery technology and spending tons of money in R&D to make it happen. Innovation.

Apple is not a company that follows horses that follow horses.

I think about all the laptops I've owned over the years and I never bought a second battery for any of them. Of course, I never sat on a jet computing for 8 hours either. Most of the time, I carried a laptop from one destination to another and used electrical outlets that were available. And, most airlines now have electrical outlets built into the arms of their seats for those that need extended periods of computer usage.

I actually like the idea of an enclosed battery. If it works, they've just eliminated another thing that you have to keep up with.

In my opinion, the 13" MacBook is not suitable for the same tasks that you would employ on a larger, fully functioned laptop, like the MacBook Pro 15" or 17" model. Need FW, buy one of these. For that matter, USB 2, although not nearly as fast as FW 800, is close to FW 400 speeds.

Oh my God, here we go with the Mac Clones argument. I say: NEVER AGAIN. I remember the last time Apple tried this and it was an unmitigated disaster. Apple's business model works. Not for everyone, but, time and practice has proven that Apple must keep control of both hardware and software to deliver predictable quality results. It works. You don't have to like it, but, this is one reason that Apple has the highest customer satisfaction rating in the industry.

Clones; yuck. I pray that there isn't anyone stupid enough at Apple to consider this option again.

Apple is growing at twice the rate of the industry ( 37% versus 19% ) and has been growing at this rate for the past several quarters. Companies don't enjoy luxurious growth like this by being wrong in their business assumptions.

Yes, I agree. You buy the appropriate hardware for the job. I use a Mac Pro because I need the horsepower and I don't need mobility as much as I used to. Good point.

[Biallystock]

drwatcher,

What is "nobody's customer"? Is that supposed to actually have some meaning?

I have bought a lot of Macs, probably a lot more than you, including the brilliant white 24" iMac Intels, but when Apple gets it wrong they get it wrong. I gather from your strenuous defence of the indefensible you believe we should dutifully and uncritically take whatever is dealt us.

Do I detect a smidgeon of applesauce on that brown nose of yours?

Somehow I doubt your statement that you knew Galileo and, given the merely dismissive arguments you make, I doubt you know much else.

[drwatcher]

Hey that's pretty good: "a smidgeon of applesauce on the brown nose of yours" You may actually have a couple of neurons in that Candyland head of yours.

Nobody's customer, meaning that after dealing with you, nobody would want you as a customer. Except me. I'm bullet proof. I never let the snotty, arrogant, self-righteous get my goat.

No, I don't mind arguments that contain some sort of substance other than Brown 25.

No, I don't believe that you should take what you get. I believe that you should thoroughly research a product before you buy it and then, if you have wee minor issues with it, know that you were the one who purchased it and then work it out.

And if you are going to pursue a technical problem, there are appropriate forums for this, starting with Apple's kbase. I certainly wouldn't waste time going to an Apple Store with hopes that a $9 / hr, 19 year old, Mac Expert would be able to help much.

If you purchased an Apple product with a shiny ( I'm using your favorite word ) glossy screen, did someone drag you kicking and screaming to the Apple store? Or did you make that decision all by yourself? I apologize, that was really snide, wasn't it.

The problem you are having is a preference problem. It has nothing to do with Apple. They're putting glossy screens on everything these days. If you have reflection problems with your glossy display, go out and buy one of those super duper professional displays which can be color calibrated. If you are in the print publishing industry, this seems like a logical thing to do. But this isn't Apple's fault. You are saying that Apple is at fault for not meeting your needs. Sorry, that's not a valid argument.

I did, I swear I knew Galileo back in my university days in Padua. Kind of a frumpty old man. Had terrible flatulence. He could gas a substance-less conversation at 100 meters. Sigh, where is the old man when you need him.

Obviously, you are the well from which all knowledge springs. I couldn't possibly know more than you.

[heisetax]

For a discussion of a topic that has more to do with opinion than fact, you are doing your best to try to be the only one that is right. In most everyone else's opinion you are baxically wrong. It must be nice to have the correct opinion

I'm not in the market for an Intel MacBook whether it has a FW port or not. Even with that statement I believe that Apple has in the case of this computer other times have done a disservice to its customers. Apple is in the business of selling computers. Unless they are totally arrogant they should be making the computers that their potential customers want. If they don't then they will push that customer into either not making any purchase or purchasing a non-Mac computer. With the number of people that have made an Intel Mac Clone, Apple may be forcing the thing that their legal department is spending their tie fighting.

But as for you & your opinions they are your opinions. They have their merit. Others have their opinions with their merits. To each you are correct even though you are sometimes not even discussing the same point.

You can say what you want, I have the ability to skip your "correct" arguments.

[Biallystock]

"Don't know much about history, don't know much biology.

Don't know much about a science book, don't know much about the french I took."

?but I know a reflection when I see one.

I certainly knew what I was buying, but had little choice after a Leopard update screwed my iMac G5.

What I didn't know was the wireless networking would be screwed and after 6 months the power supply would die as well.

So this is the 2nd iMac 24" Intel Apple sent me, and guess what the glossy screen catches reflections just as well as the first!

Should have insisted on one of those non-reflective-glossy models you seem to be pushing, hey?

[heisetax]

My screeens don't have any reflections. O, wait,I don't have any glossy screens. Also my eyes may not have been open.

[drwatcher]

"I know a great deal about History, even more about Biology"

"Read a couple of dozen science books, don't know much about the French I never took"

I studied German instead.

I surrender. I genuinely hope you get your issues resolved.

My PowerMac G5 was the worst Apple product I ever experienced. I was right in the middle of a six month media conversion project when the logic board went South and crashed my hard drive in the process.

Now, I'll prove that I don't know everything. I didn't have anything backed up. A glorious moment of realized stupidity followed by 72 hours of grueling, nail-biting recovery. Technical problems are no fun.

Anyway, just in case you every need it, I used ProSoft's Data Rescue II after several frustrating hours of trying to get DiskWarrior to work. Data Rescue really did the job - I recovered better than 98% of everything.

Then I went out and bought a Mac Pro, loaded it with 2 terabytes of hard drives, a bunch of RAM and purchased SuperDuper. I now back up daily.

I was so accustomed to never having problems with my Mac, I started believing that it would never happen to me. But, it did.

I'm a photographer, among other things, and, I am still using a 23" Cinema display which I bought with my PowerMac G5 about six years ago. Still looks great.

Good luck to you.

[Biallystock]

Now why didn't I think of that!

When I get so caught up in the problems of trying to get my jobs out and not get the arse sued off me by the clients.

All I had to do, was not look!

[heisetax]

This whole discussion is about repair utilities. Discussions range from all utilities are worthless to all are good, i.e. none are needed or all are needed. Even you found that Prosoft's Data Rescue II was your utility that worked for you.

If I was to go with my experience I would say that ata Rescue II was no good. I had a FW800 drive on a few years back when Apple had a system update thate would overwrite the directory on any FW800 hard drive using a certain FW800 chipset. Data Rescue II made a new directory with most of the files in it. The only thing was that non of the programs would read these files. Because I usually have a backup for the backup I did not lose much data anyway.

You now use the best utility for data protection, backups.

My son like his dual G5 PowerMac & I have liked my 2 1/2 year old Intel Mac Pro as well.

Just like real estate has 3 rules, computers have 3 rules. You now know them as backup, backup, backup.

[DocNo]

drwatcher said:

Biallystock,

You are nobody's customer. You prefer to arrogantly argue idiotic points rather than do something to solve your problems.

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It really doesn't matter what Apple produces, you are one of those people that will find even the tiniest flaws and spend all your time bitching about that rather than realizing that there is nothing in the technology industry that is perfect and dealing with the flaws, minor or otherwise.

Yup. I should point out I'm not posting for Biallystock's benefit - his loathing for glossy goes beyond religious fervor - he's simply incapable of holding a rational discussion. I just believe in balance and I don't want someone on the fence to mistake his irrational ranting for a reasoned opinion. Not that there is a need to worry about that with his last three posts :)

[DocNo]

heisetax said:

If I was to go with my experience I would say that ata Rescue II was no good

One thing Data Rescue II excels at flash cards. As a photographer, it's saved my butt a few times in getting files off of cards that got messed up in the field before I had a chance to get backup copies made.

Backing up is always good advice, but it isn't a perfect solution for every problem...