[bryankia]

I think a lot of what you said is spot on. No qualifications or equivocations. What I would say is that people that hold on to science as THE truth often loose sight of the fact that science improves and old truths are proven false. So while science may say X do not stand and judge someone who believes Y. Unless X happens to be a law like gravity.
I think this whole rat hole that we have traveled down was not caused by one persons believe or another’s… instead it was just the perceived lack of tolerance to that other persons belief.
What I would like to say back on target is that this is great PR and people that hold similar beliefs as Mike (customer service is important) may have one more good reason to try one of those silly fruit machines instead of robotically ordering a Dell.
Good job to the fine people that helped mike (and me several times) and good job for Apple for charging enough for products that they also provide great service.

Bryan (the conservative liberal that believes in the Bible and dinosaurs)

[folklore]

HyperMactive said:

"When the information changes, the answers may change." - folklore

Convenient. So it's the old "I may be wrong, and being wrong is just part of being right, but everyone who disagrees with me is wrong with no chance of being right, thus I condemn them for their obvious wrongness" line of reasoning, eh? Sounding brass and tinkling cymbals, methinks. Ultimately it's an interesting, and amusing, predicament.

Disagreement isn't the problem. It's disagreement absent any coherent argument that's the problem.

[LarryV]

HyperMactive said:

Convenient. So it's the old "I may be wrong, and being wrong is just part of being right, but everyone who disagrees with me is wrong with no chance of being right, thus I condemn them for their obvious wrongness" line of reasoning, eh?

You're putting words into folklore's mouth. That's not what he said at all:

folklore said:

Science discards bad ideas when better ideas come along. It is not that science has the right answers. It's that science has the best answers given the available information. When the information changes, the answers may change.

(Empasis is mine.)

[HyperMactive]

Q: "Where did the world come from?"

A: "God."

Q: "Where did God come from?"

A: ..head explodes..

Q: "Where did the world come from?"

A: "A cosmic explosion of gasses."

Q: "Where did the gasses come from?"

A: ..head explodes..

Seems like either position is equally untenable, per my primitive, monkey-sourced brain...

[HyperMactive]

@ LarryV:

That's pretty much exactly what he said.

[XMattingly]

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HyperMactive said:

The Science vs. God debate is irrelevant to the fact that Mike Huckabee is a doofus. No hypocrisy there.{size}

Your opinions of Mike Huckabee are irrelevant to the article. So... your irrelevance matters, but no one else does?

{size:14px}hy?po?cri?sy: 1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

also see: HyperMactive{size}

[HyperMactive]

Au contraire, my personal opinions of Mike Huckabee are entirely relevant to the article, as the article is about Mike Huckabee and his switch to my favorite computing platform.

Mike Huckabee's positions on creation or evolution, and how those positions apply to the general populace, not so much relevant...

P.S. sweet, I made it in the dictionary??? Awesome!

[mr_rsu]

Creationism is bogus science/bogus education and would roll back all the scientific and technological advancements that have made our society for the last 100 years. We're talking dark age-style teaching toward children and adults that God is behind the shaping of an atom by his divine hands and write the Bible about dinosaurs and men co-existing.
Back to the caves, you all. We cannot have Macbooks (or PCs), because it's a byproduct of scientific-technological advancements by smart people who weren't always 100% beholden to the Bible for instructions on engineering a Macbook.

[Flope]

All this means is that Huckabee believes that Apple, MacBooks and the Apple Store geniuses were all also created by God. It has no bearing on rational thought.

[XMattingly]

HyperMactive said:

{size:10px}Au contraire, my personal opinions of Mike Huckabee are entirely relevant to the article, as the article is about Mike Huckabee and his switch to my favorite computing platform.

Mike Huckabee's positions on creation or evolution, and how those positions apply to the general populace, not so much relevant...{size}

Then your opinions of the guy are only as relevant as anyone else's. The article had zero inflection of his politics or aptitude; just the fact that he bought a Mac.

[HyperMactive]

Wow, I can't believe we can't resolve this whole God vs. No God debate in this discussion thread. I thought we'd be able to resolve it quickly, then move on to more important things, like the inhuman perspiration of Steve Ballmer and the evolutionary/divine source thereof...

[Flope]

Exactly!

[XMattingly]

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Heh heh, that's a good one! :)

[daouddee]

That's a liberal for ya...They talk about acceptance and tolerance but exhibit neither of those traits in reality.