[Rhywun]

Peeved,
Do you have any plugins installed? You have to go into /Library/InputManagers and delete them.
PS. Please don't shout.

[gandhi]

Safari needs:
ABP+ support (I know, there is some extension that is similar, but not quite...)
The Awesome bar
Firefox's search bar
Support for Google bar (as an option..., I know, bookmarklets are easy to get, still...)
A GOOD User Agent Switcher
and...
Foxmarks support... That really shouldn't be the province of Mobileme...

[DocNo]

ARES96002 said:

TOTAL JUNK!!!!!!!!!!

Don't be an idiot

1) It's Beta software. Uninstall any third party add-ons you may have and try again - it will probably work fine just like it does for the majority of us.

2) It's fly-off-the-handle jerks like you that make companies cringe at offering public betas. Thanks for ruining for the rest of us!

3) If you aren't competent enough to evaluate beta software, then don't do so. That's your problem, not Apple's. Competency includes being able to troubleshoot any unexpected interactions from third party software which you more then likely have on your machine but are either too incompetent to realize or too lazy to disable.

4) As for your Leopard problems, google around on Archive and Install. About the only thing you will loose are any printer drivers that didn't come with the OS - you just re-install them. If you didn't use an Archive and Install when you upgraded to Leopard, I would do one now and I would wager it will solve your issues. That and disabling any third party add-ons you have (anything hanging out in the bottom of the system preferences pane).

I have no problem criticizing Apple when they deserve it, but criticizing them for beta software is just inane. Making blanket statements that Leopard is a "joke" are equally inane - Leopard runs just fine on not only my new MacBook Pro but my five year old PowerBook G4 12" and my original PPC Mac Mini (after I upgraded the RAM in the mini) and for millions of other users too.

Perhaps if you really worked in a positive manner towards resolving your issues then resorting to sensationalistic rants you would be happier?

[jpmm]

I use Firefox. I do NOT like the idea of the tabs being at the top (how do you move the window? No, I didn't D/L the beta). And I don't think I'd ever use "Top Sites". I prefer going straight to the Google Search page or to a blank page. If Safari supported the same types of add-ons that Firefox had, I would consider it (since it's faster than FF), but without things like NoScript, "Color Picker" and others that I use for Web Development, I have to stick with FF as my primary browser.

[robrecord]

No need to shout! Remember that Safari 4 is in BETA - by using it you are helping them to iron out bugs, which helps us all. Why don't you submit a report instead of playing the victim?

The interface seemed to hang a lot for me too, until I uninstalled SafariStand (a SIMBL plugin). Works perfectly now. Maybe you're having an issue with a third party plugin too.

I initially balked at the tabs on top but I really like them now. Anyway time will tell. The speed increase is very welcome. I personally can't wait for taggable and label-able bookmarks - that would make it for me.

[robrecord]

Third party plugins? It was Stand for me. Once removed it works like a charm.

[PandaBear]

The reason that I, as a mac user, prefer Firefox to Safari is that Firefox offers firebugs, a nifty little plugin for web development that neither Safari nor any other browser has to offer. Sure, you can view source, but firebugs allows you to dynamically alter content, such as css, html, and javascript on the fly which really speeds up the development process. It would be great if the new Safari had something comprable, but we shall see. Of course for web development you must check compatibility on all browsers, but Firefox is currently by far the best from a developer's prospective. And yes, I run Windows XP, Vista, Server 2003, and two versions of Ubuntu on VMWare Fusion on my Mac, because I can. I love having that flexibility, and dont understand why people are so brand biased.

[zichi]

following advice in these comments,
I uninstalled Safaristand (which I never really used) from Safari 3.0.
Restarted.
Installed Safari 4.0 Beta.
Restarted.

Now it seems to work, thanks guys!

[unclefoobar]

2 Fixes: first for 1password: do a google and there's scads of sites explaining a small text file hack in the /resources in the package (browsers.kext or soemthing)
2nd: Mail crashing? Got Growl?
Even if you turn the Growl off in the Sys Prefs, there's ANOTHER place in Mail you have to turn it off.
discuss:
http://discussions.a...ssageID=9053188
Do this: Take All Accounts offline in the menu to stop the activity.
Go into Mail Preferences and all the way the right the arrows to the growlmail; click it off and it works again.
Foob

[PandaBear]

Hope my earlier post didnt sound too negative, just an observation. I will definately be using this browser for web surfing, though, the page view is awesome!

[samrod]

OOPS! Is the missing Reload button intentional?

[kiwehtin]

The reload icon is now at the right edge of the URL field, sitting just after the RSS icon. When a page is loading, you get the chasing bars circle, and if you mouse over that, it changes to an X icon to stop loading.

[montgomery_burns]

Does Safari 4 provide better control over popup blocking and Javascript? The "all or nothing" approach in the current version of Safari does not provide enough control. For example, some legitimate sites require popup windows to work properly. Other browsers allow users to create an exceptions list for which popups are allowed. But in Safari, you have to keep enabling and disabling popups.
Some web sites use irritating Javascript behaviors such as resizing the browser window to full screen or hiding the address bar and toolbar. However, completely disabling Javascript makes certain functions such as selecting from popup menus not work. Again, Safari's only Javascript setting is All On or All Off.

[bugsnw]

I'm going to give it some time. Change takes a little time to get used to. Almost immediately, however, I can see that working with the new Tab and Refresh paradigm, my mouse is going to travel quite a few more miles. I'm glad I'm not being taxed on that...at least not yet.

I also think it's a mistake to have the small and faint spinning gear replace the brilliant multi-function address area that doubled as a load indicator. It was psychologically comforting to see that area fill with blue as web sites loaded.

Clicking on Top Sites is fun. But it's not a toggle. Assume you click it on accident and merely wish to get back to where you were, you have to hit the 'back' button. It's intuitive to reclick the Top Sites button, but this does nothing.

Working with more than one Safari window can be confusing. It will present an offset window that is spaced such that it's difficult to tell if your prior window's tabs are the new window's tabs. It's an unfortunate optical challenge that has caused me to pause a few times before I close a window or open up a series of tabs.

I'm glad this is beta. All the extra mouse travel seems like an oversight on Apple's part. Usually they refine the UI to require less mousing. It really just feels wrong at this point. The address bar and tab bar felt so good next to each other.

I'm going to give it some time, however. I've adapted quickly to Apple's UI whims in the past. Maybe there's something I'm missing. I prefer not to disable the default behavior as we have several office Macs and I don't want to start customizing various Apps across the OS. I can imagine this strategy bringing a new set of issues to the troubleshooting table down the road.