[natmusak]

jpmm said:

I use Firefox. I do NOT like the idea of the tabs being at the top (how do you move the window? No, I didn't D/L the beta).

Move a window? Click and drag the top of the window. It will remain on the currently active tab just as if you still had a unified window border. ;) If you just click without dragging though, obviously the tab you click on will become the active one.

>And I don't think I'd ever use "Top Sites".
Me neither. It can be hidden by going to Preferences > General > and selecting Empty Page for the two options dealing with window and tab behaviors.

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I prefer going straight to the Google Search page or to a blank page.

Ditto.

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If Safari supported the same types of add-ons that Firefox had, I would consider it (since it's faster than FF), but without things like NoScript, "Color Picker" and others that I use for Web Development, I have to stick with FF as my primary browser.

While I understand the draw of add-ons, you have to recognize that one of the reasons Safari is faster than FF is due to Safari's non-support of them. With that said, there are extensions like ClickToFlash (though that's technically WebKit).

[kiwehtin]

TIP!!! - Adding your own Top Sites pages manually
If you aren't satisfied with the choices Top Sites makes for you and even when you get rid of certain pages it never adds the one you want, a quick way to force it to add a particular page you want there is this:
Open that page in one window.
In a separate window, open Top Sites.
Click on the Edit button.
Drag the URL field icon onto the Top Sites window.
The icon will move over with a green + button, showing it is ready to paste.
Drop it where you want; the other thumbnails will move aside to give it room and the last one on the bottom right of the page will be removed.
Now you have the page you want.

[natmusak]

bugsnw said:

I also think it's a mistake to have the small and faint spinning gear replace the brilliant multi-function address area that doubled as a load indicator. It was psychologically comforting to see that area fill with blue as web sites loaded.

YES. This is one thing I appreciated and I keep thinking the page isn't loading because I don't see the address bar fill up blue.

What's more, Safari for iPhone/iPod touch, which obviously influenced Safari 4's new looks (among other things), still has that exceptional visual element.

Considering Safari 4 is still in beta, I'd like to urge anyone who feels a similar longing for the return of the integrated loading bar to go HERE and kindly file a request. If it's possible on the iPhone version, there's no reason (that I can think of) for it to disappear on the Mac version.

For Feedback Type select "Design/Ease of Use"
For Feedback Area select "Internet/Web"

[kiwehtin]

A caveat about this tip: this works with regular http pages but not for secure https pages like those used for banking, so you might want to keep an eye open for what kinds of pages you can add to Top Sites apart from http.

[samrod]

Ah, thanks.

Then what's been removed is the titlebar's command-click hierarchical drop down menus.

[DPG4450Guy]

ARES96002 has one post - his first being his inane rant against Leopard and the Safari beta.

Can you say "Windows plant?"

As the other poster stated, "don't be an idiot."

Actually, after that, I don't think I can respond to you any better!

[medopal]

I found another method to add to Top Sites other than the two window approach.
From the same window, Open the Top Sites in Edit mode, write your website name in address bar (dont hit Enter), then drag it (drag the globe icon) to the Top Sites grid.

[InvalidScreen]

> {quote:title=coolfactor wrote: }{quote}...I don't understand any Mac user that "prefers" Firefox. The feel is just wrong.
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It's not all about feel, it's about functionality.

Session management is key for me. The ability to automatically open all the tabs from a previous browsing session. I don't see this in Safari.

Then, the plethora of add-ons. Adblock, firebug, down-them-all, ardvark, etc. All free unlike the most useful mac plug-ins which are generally not (such as saft).

[medopal]

I use Firefox for the Foxmarks plugin. Sync between my PC at work and my Mac at home, and also sync when i got to parents home.

Dont tell me use Mobile Me (i dont even know if it do that) because i simply DONT want to pay for my bookmarks.

I love two things of Safar, the RSS feeds (hope Firefox rip it off :) ) and the speed engine. I tried Safari 4 on my Windows XP, honestly its faster than Chrome, much faster than Firefox 3.1 Beta, and extremely faster than IE 7.

I tested about 10 sites.

If we put IE at 100% speed, then Firefox will be somewhere around 70%, Chrome around 50% and Safari 4 will be almost 30% of IE rendering speed.

[omeyotl]

Yikes! I just ran SunSpider test (that Rob used) and found out, much to my dismay, that NetNewsWire is actually faster than OmniWeb (my favorite and default browser). :(
FireFox came up on top (not too surprised, I knew it was speedy). Alas, then I read that Omni group has stopped development of OmniWeb (I'm quite fond of it, what can I say. I really like the Workspaces) and my whole internet experience is about to go through a big shift. :( :(
What I don't like about FireFox is hunting for the plugins that make it behave like OmniWeb. Oh, well. I'll migrate eventually, I guess.

[robogobo]

@ARES96002
eeeeeeeeasy. now, take a deep breath, turn off the caps lock, and step away from the computer. most of us had trouble with Leopard at the beginning, but it's fine now. don't give up. I suggest you keep away from betas.

[robogobo]

I'm a Mac user and I prefer Firefox 3 over Safari 3. It's actually really great as long as you don't install bad extensions. Give me Adblock Plus and Session Manager on Safari and then we'll talk. With Firefox I almost forgot there were ads on the internet.

I will say that I don't see any speed difference bt FF3 and S3 on a Mac Pro with 9GB of RAM, but it's also ok on my old Powerbook as long as nothing else is running. So, definitely a memory thing.

Now as for this beta, the first two tries at downloading yielded bad disk images (via firefox, hmmm). When I dl'd from Safari, all was good, until my Powerbook crashed on restart, twice. I zapped pram and nvram and then all was good. I'm typing this from S4 now. I'll install on my Mac Pro when I get to work. On first glance, the new Tabs are dumb- put me in the 50% hater column. It just makes it harder to move tabs around, and I have to reach further to get to them. Aside from that it just looks wrong, but I'll leave them there for now to see if it grows on me. OK, it's fast. Real fast. Otherwise it still has all the stuff I didn't like about S3. History and bookmarks nav away from current window- they should just open the sidebar ala FF. Only one choice of engine (at a time) in the search bar. All around less flexible.

Oh, and why not allow a coverflow or grid view for all current tabs? Neither FF nor Safari allow a quick way to view all tabs. I always want to see the tabs within each browser window when I expose f10, but no.

[Vervaeck]

I am running Safari on a PC(with Vista), will Safari 4 allow me to choose the interface language myself ?

[elitebuyer]

thanks for ur information