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[doglesby]

MacAdvisor said:

I realize no one calls OS 9, OS IX, but doing so would be consistent. ... Besides, I was trying to be funny.

It was lame, that was my point.

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Yes, the new thing is the Javascript Engine, but few people could make a distinction between a Java Engine and a Javascript Engine.

Anyone who knows what they are talking about makes the distinction because it's huge. There are people who are confused, but perpetuating that confusion doesn't seem like the right idea. Yes, the Javascript engine is vastly improved. The Java engine didn't change.

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Again, the distinction between processes and threads is real, but not important here. If one page or one tab in Safari has problems, it cannot be forced to quit alone. The entire Safari application must be forced to quit. This is not unique to Safari. If one has six documents open in Word or InDesign and one document screws up the application, the whole app unexpectedly quits. This is not true in Chrome and, given developments, should not be true in Safari. Unfortunately, it is. If one URL is bad and causes problems, Safari must be restarted. There isn't a way to force quit the single site leaving others untouched.

But when you get terminology wrong, you look ignorant. Instead of ranting that in this day and age Safari isn't multi-threaded when it is just comes off completely wrong. Like Safari is stuck in the '90s or something.

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Given the enormous effort Apple went through to gain this ability for its OS (firing a CEO, abandoning years of work, buying NeXT, re-hiring Steve Jobs, etc.), rather a shame it isn't put to more use.

The big buzzword in building Copeland, talking of buying Be, and ultimately acquiring NeXT was multi-tasking. Safari does that. To the extent that the browser is an environment in which you can run multiple different applications, using a process for every tab (or at least every window) makes a lot of sense. There is, however, a memory and performance hit to doing that for every open document in an application. Since documents don't tend to cause crashes the way a poorly-coded Web app can, a light weight threaded design makes the most sense. I don't think you understand all the issues involved, and I think you're confused.

[whitedog]

stanewton said:

Unable to check emails on Hotmail / Windows Live.
I am using Safari 4 on PPC G4 Mac mini running Tiger 10.4.11

Note that those are Microsoft sites. Microsoft has no regard for web standards, as evidenced by the poor compliance of even their newest web browser, Internet Explorer 8, which is brand new and still in beta. Safari 4 garners a perfect score on the Acid3 test, even on Windows, which means it is fully standards compliant. Why it's not backwards compatible with non-standard web sites is the question. But for situations like that we have other, more forgiving browsers to choose from, including Firefox (51 Mac and 71 PC in Acid3) and Opera (85 Mac). Even Chrome only gets a 79 (and IE 7 blows up the site entirely). These days one needs more than one browser in any case, sad to say. Note that you may get slightly different Acid3 scores when you test the browsers on your system, depending on browser preference settings.

[HarvC]

I couldn't properly manage my hotmail accounts. Specifically, I couldn't delete mail. The screen froze. Sometimes I couldn't even read the mail.
Therefore, I uninstalled the Safari beta. I prefer function and reliability over looks and fluff.
Maybe Apple succumbed to the pressure of Chrome.

[whitedog]

vicbet said:

Suppose you have to download 20 or 30 photos to 3 or 4 different projects...
Why at this point of "Safari's maturity" (version 4!) you can't still download things to different folders of your choice? I can't get it.

You can download images to different folders by using Option-click (or right-click if you have that button on your mouse mapped to the Contextual Menu) on the image and choosing Save Image As... which will open a save dialog window in which you can navigate to wherever you want to save the file.

I, too, find the progress bar useful because not every page loads instantly. And there are several variables that influence how fast a page loads besides the speed of the system bus and CPU. These include the speed of your internet connection, the quality of your internet service and the speed of the downstream server(s) you're accessing. I used MacPilot to restore the progress bar in Safari 4, among other things.

[JMac]

Put the Beta on Powerbook w/ Tiger and it runs superfast - not one 'Force Quit". I quit using , Firefox which was the fastest- and the 2 snails - Explorer and the original Safari. The Beta is twice as fast as Firefox. I gotta say, Camino runs very well on this Powerbook also, just not as fast. Getting ready to try it on a windows based machine.

[rankreasy]

What happened to the blue page load status bar in the address window, it's driving me nuts not having it.

[whitedog]

rankreasy said:

What happened to the blue page load status bar in the address window, it's driving me nuts not having it.

Have you been following this thread? The progress bar has been replaced with a spinning wheel in the address bar. If you want the progress bar back (as I did), you can use a Terminal script or a utility like MacPilot to restore it and many other Safari 3 features, including tabs on the bottom.

[maxm7]

Very Helpful story. Thanks Loved the story and Beta 4.

[rankreasy]

Great! Thanks for the tip.

[penkapp]

@gandhi, @robogobo

Check out Safari Adblock. Once installed, go to the Known Adblock Plus subscriptions page, find a subscription you want to use, and under the “Important Links” column, copy the URL of the “List” text file (not the Subscribe URL). Open the Safari Adblock preference pane in Safari, go to the “Subscriptions” tab, click the plus sign at the bottom, and paste the URL into the subscription field. You can give the filter any name you wish.

[Hootayah]

Awesome :)
MyYahoo has been driving me nuts ever since they added advertisements.... finally got rid of em.

[Billion003]

I understand Safari 3 (I use it 100% of the time) has a 1 second delay built in that one, if technically savvy enough, can reduce by essentially rewriting code.
I look forward to Safari 4.

[ahem]

I like a reload button.