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MacMan123 
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 03:15 PM
While I would agree that the iPhone is seldom difficult to restore, it does happen. As with any such product, phone, computer, etc., if a software issue causes the problem and the item has been altered, the warranty doesn't cover the repair. As for my knowledge of iPhones, I certainly wouldn't have the temerity to disagree with you.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 05:13 PM
I hope Apple gets this guy for everything he's worth.
I didn't care when he was helping people mess with their phones for free, but now he is trying to profit from all of Apple's work. Don't like not being able to buy apps on the iPhone not from Apple? Get a WinMo phone. Or a Pre. Or a G1. Or a Nokia. etc.
I didn't care when he was helping people mess with their phones for free, but now he is trying to profit from all of Apple's work. Don't like not being able to buy apps on the iPhone not from Apple? Get a WinMo phone. Or a Pre. Or a G1. Or a Nokia. etc.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 05:48 PM
krizoitz said:
I didn't care when he was helping people mess with their phones for free, but now he is trying to profit from all of Apple's work.
So then you'd also like Apple to sue third-party developers who make applications for the Mac? After all, they're also profiting from all of Apple's work.
The point being, what's the difference between the two other than that Apple has created a walled-off store for iPhone applications?
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:14 PM
Here's the crazy part, third party developers have to pay royalties of their sales to Apple, just like video game developers. Same as video game consoles, they sale them at a loss, but make their gains from the sales of the games my by third party companies. In this case, Apple is controlling this by making sure all third party apps are sold through their store, not another retailer. Control the process, not the developers. I think it saves them time and money searching the net, but just might bite em back by going to trial and losing.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:21 PM
"I hope Apple gets this guy for everything he's worth.
I didn't care when he was helping people mess with their phones for free, but now he is trying to profit from all of Apple's work. Don't like not being able to buy apps on the iPhone not from Apple? Get a WinMo phone. Or a Pre. Or a G1. Or a Nokia. etc."
He's not profiting from Apple's hard work, he's profiting from the weaknesses (yes, there are weaknesses) of the App Store. This happens all the time on the Mac as Chris Breen stated.
It may yet turn out to be against the law, but I think the real question may be is it right or wrong. Providing an alternative software market on a computer system is most definitely not wrong.
I didn't care when he was helping people mess with their phones for free, but now he is trying to profit from all of Apple's work. Don't like not being able to buy apps on the iPhone not from Apple? Get a WinMo phone. Or a Pre. Or a G1. Or a Nokia. etc."
He's not profiting from Apple's hard work, he's profiting from the weaknesses (yes, there are weaknesses) of the App Store. This happens all the time on the Mac as Chris Breen stated.
It may yet turn out to be against the law, but I think the real question may be is it right or wrong. Providing an alternative software market on a computer system is most definitely not wrong.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:30 PM
notverysocial, the app store deviates heavily from console systems. I've never heard anyone accusing Apple of selling their hardware at a loss, planning to make their money back through software sales. I will agree that they do control what software gets made, but apple's flat 30% to pay for infrastructure/server costs is more akin to music sales, not the highly manipulative licensing done by the Xbox 360, playstation 3, and wii. (As in, Microsoft will charge lower royalties for an exclusive deal with a game as apposed to a game being released cross platform, and other shenanigans)
No this is a new kind of marketplace, similar in some ways to old systems and different in others, be careful when making comparisons.
No this is a new kind of marketplace, similar in some ways to old systems and different in others, be careful when making comparisons.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:40 PM
Ummmm,
I would think he is profitting from Apple. I would think that Apple's developer code, libraries, etc, what is required to make these apps run, including the knowledge of the iphone OS, is strictly owned by Apple. If they do share it, its with a contract between the third party and Apple.
It's like going to Barnes and Noble, reading a book, never buying the book, and then going outside and using this information to make a profit by making and selling addendum pamphlets to the book. You actually did take the knowlege and used it to make a profit without paying the author. Of course you did all the work by reading, but you wouldn't have been able to turn the profit without the book. As is, you need to pay for that help, which is what Apple is trying to regulate. I would think this is fair.
Just go the route of paying the gratuities for their work, if not, he should develop his own iphone and let anyone else make profits through his work. We'll see if his stance remains the same then. I feel this about a "fairness" problem, not a "lets kill the monopoly" problem.
I would think he is profitting from Apple. I would think that Apple's developer code, libraries, etc, what is required to make these apps run, including the knowledge of the iphone OS, is strictly owned by Apple. If they do share it, its with a contract between the third party and Apple.
It's like going to Barnes and Noble, reading a book, never buying the book, and then going outside and using this information to make a profit by making and selling addendum pamphlets to the book. You actually did take the knowlege and used it to make a profit without paying the author. Of course you did all the work by reading, but you wouldn't have been able to turn the profit without the book. As is, you need to pay for that help, which is what Apple is trying to regulate. I would think this is fair.
Just go the route of paying the gratuities for their work, if not, he should develop his own iphone and let anyone else make profits through his work. We'll see if his stance remains the same then. I feel this about a "fairness" problem, not a "lets kill the monopoly" problem.
