[Rugby]

"Vista is a new OS compared to XP, a superior OS at that." yes that is why 1. MS had to discontinue XP as people preferred it more than Vista 2. they actually offer a downgrade of Vista to XP
you are right: working on Vista is REAL fun with constant reminders to accept things are you sure really sure really realy really sure, it could be dangerous you know
MS charge you more: so what do you own Home edition, Home deluxe, Pro edition (as really recommended) or .....defies the term simplicity just buying the stuff
nice troll

[PixelHermit]

I guess the old saying still hits the spot: If you want to do some work on a computer, use Windows. But if you want to do some work using a computer, get a Mac.

[samrod]

This exact thing happened to my friend's Dell and she asked me how to fix it. She now has a MacBook but her music is still waiting to be imported onto her MacBook from her Windows formatted iPod. I can do that but what about her playlists?

It's interesting that the world's largest software company is spending money to advertise one of its partners' products. How does HP feel about using Mac-envious buyers to commoditize its products as generic bargain PCs? And if Microsoft uses price as its case to buy a Windows PC over a Mac, how does it justify Windows over Linux? Shouldn't Microsoft focus on selling Windows to customers of Apple, the nation's 4th largest vendor of Windows compatible PCs? These latest ads are flawed on so many levels.

samrod

[mdawson]

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These ads are designed to influence people who are cost conscious consumers.

No, these ads are designed to influence dumb consumers. Anyone that is cost conscious would do a cost analysis or at the very least understand that buying price is not cost.

[delx]

Another thing to consider is resale value! a 2-3 year old Mac will still fetch a good price!

[spiderbat]

I think one of the best arguments on this issue is the "smile to curse ratio" introduced some years ago by Joe (JoeDelta) Williams.
If you keep observing just the face of someone working with a computer, counting how many times [s]he smiles or expresses some positive comment and how may times [s]he frowns or recurs to those words that are usually written as #@&* and take the quotient of the two results, you will be able to guess with 99.9% probability the OS [s]he is using.

[Droid]

StarWarsEpisode7 said:

Apple adds about 2 new features and charges you $130 for it. Seriously. Something like Expose (which isn't even necessary on Windows due to Windows superior taskbar) or Time Machine could've easily been added for free. $130? Yeah right, Apple.

Vista is a new OS compared to XP, a superior OS at that.

StarWarsEpisode7 are you for real?

Windows Vista added the Flip 3D window switcher, a (poor) clone of Apples Expose feature. When was the last time ANY software feature was added to Windows for free? I'm talking about alterations that required major rewrites of code to allow ALL applications to use the new features such as Time Machine or Expose?

You should also realise that Apple sell one version of it's OS for $130, Windows comes in many flavors, Vista Basic does not support 'Flip 3D' or 'Previous versions' (similar to Time Machine in an MS-clunky way).

Your ignorance has no bounds when making stuff up to flame Apple. Please sell your mac & go back to Windows.

[dbag65]

First off let me make it clear. I'm basically a high functioning end user, not a computer professional. My opinions are strictly personal. I also might not have full understanding on a technical level.

I'll actually agree on the superiority of Vista over XP, though perhaps not at initial release. I installed it on the Inspiron 9100 that was my last Windows machine. The computer needed a fresh OS install, (that pesky, every now and then Windows thing you have to do when you get to the frequent blue screen saturation point) I figured I'd try Vista. That machine was considered a desktop replacement and quickly evolved into the XPS laptop line. I gave it to my room mate when I got this MacBook Pro last year. It's her daily use machine. It runs fine today, still sporting that December '07 Vista install with my user account deleted.

Just for the sake of full disclosure, that OS set me back $229.

I think your "Service Pack" argument is flat out silly. Apple provides the equivalent of service packs free. Apple charges for OS upgrades that include substantial changes and new features. Don't think the offered package is worth $129? Then don't buy it.

From the initial release of Windows through XP, a period covering Windows, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME and Windows 2000, the system was an evolving GUI to run DOS. Your operating system was DOS, it just had a user friendly graphic overlay. Windows 2000 incorporated elements from the enterprise focused product Windows NT. Those 2 did incorporate enough function level changes to be a bit more than a GUI running DOS. XP was a full OS in it's own right, DOS is in there, just not running everything. Same thing with Vista. It's really a subjective choice on the part of the companies what they call a new OS. Naturally, there are strong evolutionary lines running through a company's products. It's completely up to them when they feel it's changed enough to slap a new name and a price tag on it. All companies producing software do this.

You'll also find plenty folks who feel a feature like Time Machine is worth the upgrade price by itself. Really, I can seamlessly move or restore my entire system to a new machine? I can selectively restore any file piece meal? Sign me up.

Granted this is not an OS example but I paid the $79 for iLife '09 just because I wanted faces and places in iPhoto. The rest of the changes in that iLife upgrade were gravy as far as I'm concerned.

[Steve_S]

Jim, you're right, Microsoft's ad campaign defies logic. With each commercial, I can't help but wonder if Microsoft really understands the message they're sending. I've blogged about it in the link below.

http://technicalconc...e-tax-campaign/

In short, the entire campaign with Crispin, Porter & Bogusky seems to be a bust. I cringe at the thought of where they'll take this next.

[interactiveDNA]

Here is the true!!!!

I use both OS systems... Mac as very cool systems with nice interfaces... But I do all my work on a PC because most of the software are made for PC and it has more logic in how it works... To me, Mac lost many users over the years because it did not have right-clicks, and the way it browsers... Now, that is very similar to the PC world and people are getting Macs and using Windows on them... Designers loves Macs for the beauty and the Gamma that makes the image experience must better then a PC. But, now that we have cheap LCDs, HDTVs screen experience is not a factor anymore with the PC... It's all about how much you want to expend on a nice monitor. About virus.... Very simple, I never got a virus in my life... because I don't open things that I don't know what it is... Hackers will only attach Macs if Mac get close to PC markets... I will never write a virus to a Mac is only a few in the world will get it... I works will interactive systems and I notice that Mac users love Mac for the GUI expereince and windows sucks on that!!! It's like the i-phone experience... if you take the touch off it... it becomes the most stupid phone ever made... And to me, i-phones are based on old flash animations that I saw over the web back in 1999, and it just with the touch that makes it special at this moment... Like that Macs... take way the beauty and the nice GUI and what you got? For that money...I ca buy a very nice PC laptop that will do everything I need and plus. Macs rocks on the GUi experience but PC still a winner when you want to do real work. And that is my thoughts about both OS!!

Ney

[ChrisLJ]

Man, reading that one gave me a headache.

It's too bad we don't know a poster's country of origin. It might help us realize whether we are seeing a problem in translation or a lack of education.

[celiawessen]

If Microsoft was going to give me $1500 if I found one I liked under $1500, then I would go to my local AppleStore, talk to a sales manager and get them to sell me a Macbook Pro at $1500.

[flowney]

You should look at the COA of Windows vs Mac in an organizational environment. Here, the greater cost of Windows is astounding.
To protect the organization from Windows security issues requires a small army of servers and appliances plus the professional staff to keep them running.
Of course, some of those organizations require Macs to work through those bastion services as if they had the same vulnerabilities as Win boxes so that difference can be obscured. Nonetheless, it is there.

[dbag65]

Here's a story from Christmas at my brothers.

It was mentioned over dinner that there seemed to be an issue with their home network. Neither my brother or his wife could "add" anything to their computers. I said I'd take a look. I turned on my brothers Dell desktop to scope it out. He said "It takes a bit to boot up". I shrugged and turned back to the screen. "No, I mean you might want to go and do something for a while, it takes a bit to boot up".

"Well when was the last time you ran any maintenance, like defrag it" I asked. "What's that" he responded.

So I started the first ever maintenance and diagnostics my brothers 5 year old Dell had ever see.

Hours later he was astounded as I booted it up within a couple minutes. Then I realized I was the administrator of the computer. Wait a minute..... my 5 year old nephew has the same name as me. I checked my sister in laws brand new laptop, and later the network settings and Tivo software, same thing. Time for a little uncle to nephew chat. "John, why are you the administrator of your parents computers?" I asked. "Because the administrator has the most power" was his response. I explained that since he was 5 it probably would be a good idea if an adult was the administrator of the computers. "I didn't do anything wrong Uncle John, I promise" he was nearly in tears, "I asked mommy and she said it was ok".

Inquiry with mommy did indeed confirm this. "Well he did ask me if he could be the administrator, and I didn't care, so I told him yes". I explained just what she had said yes to. "Can you change it back?" she asked. "Well it would be a hell of a lot easier if he'd give me his password" I responded. He had been told in computer lab that his password was a secret he shouldn't share.

Bribery was required. 1 hour with Uncle John's iPod Touch without having to share it with his cousin. He gave me the password.

As I wrapped up my changes to their system I was sitting with my macBook Pro on my lap browsing. My brother came into his office, looked at it and said "The IT guy at work says Macs are for idiots who don't know how to run a computer". He got a raised eyebrow over the top of my display. He did then burst out laughing at himself and said "Oh, I guess that would be me".

The difference with a Mac is you don't have to know how to run it unless you want to. Unless you're living your computer life only doing spreadsheets and data bases you don't need a PC. Now that Macs run Windows, no one needs a PC.

Anyone reading a forum like this is probably one of the types who wants to know how to run things. Most of the real world is like my brother and sister in law. Plug it in and forget about it.

Mac is a better choice for those people, they just don't all know it yet.