[Nobody]

I am a teacher at a technical High School and the powers that be say that they refuse to purchase any more MACS because of the incompatibility on their network (likely story). It seem that after doing research the school network techs can't seem to get the MACS (iMac Bondi slot load, OS 9.2) to work on the network so they decided to go PC...I am upset none the less and we seem to be going to PC in our graphics art and printing shops. I want to try and stop this and feel that MAC is the primary platform in these industries and want to know if this is still true? I believe MAC is used in these professions the most and want to know if there is a resource out there to show the advantage of MAC over PC in these fields...does anyone know any website or resource or statistic that shows MAC as the most widely used platform in these industries? My school has only 40 iMacs and the powers that be want them all gone by next year! UGGGHHH!!! It is not a money issue but an OS, Network, and most important a student issue? Thanks for any help.
Steve /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[FallenApple]

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[Nobody]

Since you have no mature answer and do not care about kids I hope the moderator removes your post and bans your ip. This is a serious issue for children.

[d00d]

That website has no such content. Do not post irrelevant links. Next time, I will remove the entire post.

[papasmack]

FallenApple- what an excellent site. Did you make that all by yourself? WOW. Anyway New Jersy Steve, looks like they already have their mind made up. It sounds like it is the tech department that is the problem here and their lack of knowledge of how to network the Macs. And at a tech school too!. Maybe they are the ones who should be replaced. Only 40 iMacs? That sounds like a nice bundle of money they are ready to throw away. I have no idea where you could find the info you need, but from what I have seen in my dealing with graphic design and advertising firms, they tend to be all mac on the creative side. However, all the major software apps used are available for both pc/mac.

[Nobody]

Yes, laughing at someone is so immature, i think he should be banned because he doesnt say anything good about Macs. LoL. And his link, OMG, that is soooooo unnapropriate to this forum, because, well, you know, its not helpfull, and it shows that others are switching, which is bad, and, uhm, it is just not good for Macs, because it shows that others think the same thing, and that they should switch. Though this post will be removed, I cant stop laughing because people got upset about jis "Switch" link, or that his post was "immature". ROFL /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
And damn skippy he doesnt care about kids. Or should I say he doesnt care about kids that are in school systems that are still using Macs instead of moving on over to the "other" huge, much more accepted and widely used PC base. LoL. If he doesnt care about kids so much, he obviously wouldnt want them to use PC's, something they are, by and large, more likely to run into out in the real world, and use on a much more regular basis. Yeah, he doesnt care about kids. Please, remove this post for its immaturity, and its lack of giving a poop about the desire of school systems to stay current with its computers, and to have them probvide access to a system which is currently running Macs into the ground.
Your response to his post shows the "maturity" level we are working with, and the idea that a moderator needs to come in and threaten someone with removal for posting said link and views, is really really sad. Get over yourself, and get over the fact that many who come here, use macs, support them (to a certain extent) can obviously be of differing views as to the success of Macs in the current school sustem. Good for the schools for wanting to keep their kids on the "upward swing" of the learning curve. Maybe, as a better idea to complaining about it, you should considering the scholl system for creating a Monoploly? That might work. Or maybe bad business ethics, because they are basically showing a disregard for a competitors product. Though, both alternate ideas are laughable, simply bevause you cannot blame the school systems for wanting to keep the kids learning and working on something that is proven to be the leader in the current market, and a product that shows no sign, at this time, of falling behind in the Mac vs PC race.
In other words, dont be such an ass to everyone who doesnt share your view, and otrhers wont judge you for being what you are, an ass.

[papasmack]

Lets see.... Fallen Apple has now become Monkey Pants.

[Nobody]

It seems it has alot of time i guess

[FallenApple]

Ok, first off the site mentioned is going to be a parody/technical site so please bear with us. I do not understand how I 'do not care about the children' but hey. If you want to ridicule me, that is fine though I am not the one working on the site. I will make sure to pass along the message that it (in a very primitive state) does not live up to your standards.
In regards to the other poster:

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still using Macs instead of moving on over to the "other" huge, much more accepted and widely used PC base.

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I think that exposing kids to several platforms at an early age is a good thing. I would like to see a linux lab added to schools as well. Unfortunately, most schools are using OS 8-9 and it doesn't exactly prepare them for operating the macs of the future.

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the kids learning and working on something that is proven to be the leader in the current market

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I think I would prefer to expose them to emerging technologies and concepts than have them learn a specific os/platform since what they are using today will change with time.

[shipman]

Well school computers are always slow. I think it's Amendment B to Moore's Law
B. All computers under the educational system will run twice as slow as similar computers elsewhere.
What is really ironic is that I'm the only Mac user in my town and I connect to my school's wireless network better than their wireless Compaqs.
None of my school's PCs run right. Everything is so restricted the multimedia class can't burn DVDs because Nero only works with the Admin (forunately teachers are all admin accounts and my dad is a teacher and I have his password). Everyone plays online games so all this restriction crap doesn't work, though I did install a FIFA demo for our Mexican foriegn exchange student. Which brings me to another question, when will FIFA come to the mac.

[Nobody]

Well since you laugh at my question and put a link to a site on an Apple forum site what else am I supposed to think...your post was not constuctive in any way and to me that site says Apple is the enemy and you did not state it's intent thus the moderator's agreed response. Though I do post with humor sometimes this was just not called for...in any event I hope that you do contribute to MacWorld Forums in a constructive way and hope we can put this behind us.
Monkey Pants...I disagree with your response.
s.....we use Fortress security on some systems (PC) the MACs don't have any security and the kids are allowed to play games at designated times. It is sad i agree though I hope to convince them otherwise on the wide use of Apple in the Graphic design and Printing industry. I hate to see them with no Apple OS knowlege which they will need for sure.
Thanks
steveSNJ

[hillelk]

Hello Steve -
Why don't you post your question to the "Design and Publishing" forum? There, you might get the opinion of graphists with some reral-world experience instead of anwers that have nothing to do with your problem. Being mac users, their answers will probably be biased, though.
Btw I'm a former (european) graphist, and I still talk with my former colleagues. They're still using OS9. I guess the fate of Apple's market share in the graphic and publishing industry will be determined in the next few months, and will depend more on Adobe and Macromedia that on Apple's efforts.
Good luck!

[Visions_of_them]

I'm sorry to hear that you have such a load of idiots in charge there, everyone knows that when it comes to Graphics especially, macs are better than PC's o.k they both do the JOB, but in my expierence PC"s just do not cut it when it comes to doing big jobs, sooner or that muttley crew will find this out as I did when I worked for a client back in 2001, the techs down stairs built me this machine that was ment to be the best a PC could get, so I could create all the graphics that they need'd, but it soon started falling over when doing things like the exhibition stand graphics, and I ended up brining work home and doing it on my 350mhz BW G3 256ram and it just flew through what would take me an age to do on a PC and the PC had more crash's than your average demolition derby...it sucked, by there own admission, macs are better, and I ended up working alot from home the PC was a 1ghz 256ram 80gig HD

[TLV]

Steve: Here is a link that may be of interest. It deals with the Mac vs. PC argument in schools. I hope it helps.
http://macvspc.info/