[Agathon]

Nothing like this, but Preview doesn't seem to work anymore. It won't even launch.
Any ideas?

[Grant_G]

None such here. Just opened Preview and a file in "recent" without a hiccup. 10.2.5 has done for me everything it said in the Read Me that it would. Sorry (for some of you) but I'm happy (for me).
G

[griffman]

There's now an apparently known (by Apple) kernel panic bug related to 10.2.5 and USB hubs; it's definitely hitting me, as my home machine now has a kernel panic about half the time I wake it up. I hope they get a fix out fast; I've had more KPs in two days than I had in the last 2.5 years...
-rob.

[Grant_G]

Related to sleep, perhaps? I don't let my Cube sleep ... I am a diehard user of SETI@Home and have it set to come on after 10 minutes, black screen after 20 minutes. I shut the Cube down at night.
G

[d00d]

That's weird, I haven't paniced with my desktop which has two USB hubs (GE brand) to which everything USB is attached. No panics after waking it up here.

[griffman]

Well, yea, it's clearly related to sleep -- don't put it to sleep, and it doesn't panic. But I don't like burning that much electricity during the time I'm not using the machine, so off to sleep it goes.
d00d - apparently only certain hubs, or certain combinations of things attached to those hubs, cause the problems. I haven't seen a definitive answer other than "hub related" as of yet.
-rob.

[denisincalif]

Getting back to poor Ramona's original problem---
Using Disk Warrior or (yes I know this is heresy to some) Norton Disk Doctor can fix a lot of problems that fsck and/or Disk utility cannot. Ramona should try to borrow an external CD-ROM drive and use it to run Disk Warrior or Disk Doctor. If the external drive also ejects the disk, we know her drivers (BOTH OS9 and OS X) are damaged. A complete reformatting of the hard disk and OS reinstall are required. She will have to take it to a repair shop.
If the external CD-ROM works fine, then Disk Warrior etc. may fix her original problem while preserving all her data.
If the external drive works fine but Disk Warrior etc. cannot fix her original problem, then there is probably a hardware problem with the internal drive and it is just an unfortunate coincidence that it developed around the time of an OS update.

[Grant_G]

I use a Belkin hub myself, one of the Bus Station sub-units they used to make when the iMac was new and cuddly. It has always been flawless (ask Chris Breen about it sometime; we had quite a thing going in Mac 911 before I got it. I think it even made his book).
As for sleep, my thinking is that the monitor is the main culprit when it comes to power usage, and that's why I have SETI set to black out the screen after 20 minutes of non-activity. The CPU continues to do its thing crunching all those numbers from Arecibo, but the monitor is off for all intents.
As for Ramona, that last suggestion (EXTERNAL CD) might be a good one, and could perhaps work. I just wonder if she's still monitoring this thread?
G

[Philbert]

Morning G!
No problems here either with a 3yr old Belkin hub and 10.2.5. Connected to it is an Epson 750, a generic CF reader and a Wacom tablet. And my machine hits deep sleep a couple times during the day and also throughout the entire night.
Phil

[dcipjr]

I don't have a lot of USB devices, so I don't even have a hub, believe it or not.
I'm downloading the 10.2.5 update now, and am going to install it when I get home. I'm running 10.2.1 now--just haven't got around to updating it yet.

[Avalanche]

Hey how about finding another mac and sharing the cd in that mac over the network and connecting to that mac to run the cd over the network.

[Nobody]

Hi there. This is Ramona. I'm not sure if anyone cares what I have to say since this thread has escalated way above and beyond my problem (which is totally cool and expected) but for me . . . ??? If you don't care, stop reading now, because it's going to get personal and probably not related to you.
This whole thing has escalated into a sort of INSANITY for me. An insanity that was NOT wanted, because I'm losing much data and much work as a result of it. I'm not writing this on the computer upon which I had the problems previously stated.
After the initial problems related to 10.2.5, and after I couldn't use that computer via a number of mechanisms, I DID try borrowing an external CD-Rom drive. That didn't work either. Pretty much, the whole thing just IMPLODED. I couldn't start up AT ALL after I tried to reboot. Everything just got WORSE AND WORSE. Since my computer was pretty new and under warranty and I called Apple Care (FOR THE THIRD TIME), they walked me through a whole host of stuff (some of which was suggested here), but even pushing the PMU button and taking out my logic board battery and leaving out for 4 hours then putting it back in didn't work. I reset my PRam, etc., I did everything Apple told me to do . . . NUTHIN! I could never get any video response back. Just a black screen.
So . . .back to the reason I started this thread . . . I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 10.
2.5!! It definitely was 10.2.5 that seriously screwed my hard drive, but I don't know overall..
I'm now in contact with some of the folk from Apple, and while it's not a foregone conclusion just yet, it looks like they may send me a replacement unit.
But while it looks for me like it actually was big hardware failure, I would really like to say thanks to SueG for her exposition on long-term Mac users (Amen, Sister!) and denisincalif for his suggestion that got me to the place of telling Apple that my computer really needed serious repair/replacement.
And anyway, I'm still glad I posted here. Thank you everyone!
Ramona.