[123nfj]

does anyone know the truth of when the heck quark is coming??? this is killing me along with my business productivity! OS X is the best OS ever but the classic garbage has got to go and quark is the huge wrench in my gears. there are constant crashes and uneplainable odd behavior with the osx & classic combo. i just bought the indesign upgrade and it is agreat program if it had only been there form the begining. we have over 10,000 quark files in our computers and i'm not about to convert them all like i've heard some people have done. so if anyone know the inside scoop of what the heck is going on at quark please let me hear it.

[rockinphotog]

Ok, I don't use them, but I am here to reason with you. I am so sick of Quark being everyone' reason for bad-mouthing apple, OSX,etc (I'm not saying you are doing it, though) like it is their fault.
Since you said that you already have the indesign update and you like it, why would you still want to pay more for quark? do you really have to access 10,000 file regularly? why not go through one batch convert or convert each as you need them and go on with your work in Indesign?
I'd expect to wait months for it. Lovely support from Quark, eh? You want to give them your money?

[123nfj]

i am actually doing a little bad mouthing of both apple and quark. i think that apple has alot to do with quark not being ready for os x and adobe indesingn being mysteriously ready to go so far in advance. but that is another issue. as for me, yes, i do have access to that many files and we use almost all of them regularly. i am running a printing company and switching to indesign is not really an option for us but i wanted to see what indesign was all about. i'm not a huge fan of how quark is dealing with the whole thing but those are the breaks.

[From_Win_to_Mac]

In this thread that i started not too long ago, i said that Quark 6 Alpha was just shipped to developers. ALPHA !!! So give it few months or so...
I just don't see why you absolutely have to use OS X if productivity is your major concern... as it should be.
Marc

[rockinphotog]

Seems like switching all your computers to OSX is a bigger deal than switching from Quark to Indesign.

[123nfj]

all of our computers right now are capable of handleing OS X but most are using OS9 so it's not actually a problem to switch. i didn't say that i absolutly had to switch to OS X either i simply said that it's the best os ever not to mention rock solid when classic is out of the picture. i've used os x since it came out at home and was so impressed that i now use it on a couple of office computers. i would love to have all of them on os x but can't because of quark. and for the record once again switching to indesign is not an option as far as i can see right now.

[jpmhughes]

I know exactly what 123nfj is talking about.
I have even more Quark files than that (literally around 50 M) and many of them are books (large books at that).
I tried converting some of the books.
It took forever, once converted there were too many problems with the layout etc.
Customers want exactly what they have seen before.
Explaining 'the switch" to a customer will get you a look, well you can just imagine.
I am also ready for OS X in my department.
That means ready for it completely, fonts, all other apps besides Quark.
Connectivity and so on.
Totally ready.
Switching to InDesign isn't even an option.
Adding it in. Well sure, of course...
I'll take any file you throw at me, any file, and make it work.
But to make the statement that one should convert all their Quark files over to InDesign is ridiculous.
There is enough to do without adding to the problems that may or may not crop up in an already hectic day.
So Quark...
About six months from what i have heard. No more than that though.
Jim

[123nfj]

thank you jim! well said. at least someone out there is in the same boat.

[rockinphotog]

Anyone would understand the problems with switching if your files don't look the same. That is a whole other issue.
It sounded to me like your only reasons were that you wanted to stick with what you have been using and that you didn't want to spend the time converting your archives.
From reviews of Indesign, I understood that it converted your quark files, no problem.

[jpmhughes]

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From reviews of Indesign, I understood that it converted your quark files, no problem.

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Reviews are one thing. In actual practice, there are of course many more variables than one would expect any reviewer to encounter.
While the reviews are as accurate as they can be, you really don't know for sure until you do it yourself.
Again, this is my situation.
But having worked in printing for 20 years I know what I am talking about.
Plus I have actually used both ID and Quark and converted files and so on.
Nothing is flawless, certainly no conversion can be.
I wish it were, but that's the nature of this industry.
just look at transparency with Illustrator and some RIP's.
All this, and many more things, will eventually settle down and work out.
But then we will have a whole new crop of problems. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That's OK by me, it's one of the reasons I use computers, network them, use graphic apps, business apps, emulators...
It's interesting and always a challenge.
Unfortunately there isn't always time and sometimes it just does not work.
Then you stick with what does.
Jim

[AppleLaw]

Well, considering the overall negative demeanor and professionalism of Quark in getting out an OS X product, I think we'll all have better luck if we pressed Adobe to improve and perfect InDesign's conversion of Quark files.
Indeed, if someone from Adobe is reading thing, I am sure you can kill Quark XPress for OS X before it's even launched if you can pull this off.

[Visions_of_them]

The trouble is not with apple but with Quark they are an incredibly arrogant company with little or no respect for there customers, like when they launched Quark 4 in the U.k and only brought 5 copies with them, and many companies here in Australia, have switched to Indesign for one basic reason Price $780 for Indesign $2800 for quark let me think about this ummm Indesign would be the go, as Associated Press and Murdoch news papers have switched as well, quark is dieing by degree's, due to it's attitude many think it will go the way of Syquest , who were once the king of storage, and went bust cause like quark they became complacent, if I was you I'd switch I am.
Rupert

[Nobody]

I am extremely small time in graphics, but what I am doing is not creating anything new in Quark, through attrition they will be replaced. I agree with Visions of them, Quark is an extremely arrogate company, as anyone can tell that has had to deal with them.
This does seem to be a pissing contest with Apple, but Quark is the one holding up full implementation OS X across the board because their tentacles reach deep. I am doing my part by using InDesign, I hope others do to.
Quark can't see the forest for the trees. My guess is that the linotype machine people where arrogant at one time also.
Mike

[mystery_stain]

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i think that apple has alot to do with quark not being ready for os x and adobe indesingn being mysteriously ready to go so far in advance.

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The thing is, though, that not just Indesign but everybody else was ready "so far in advance" of quark. I doubt there was anything special about Indesign's schedule or Apple's help to them compared to all the other companies that also jumped the fence to X. The difference here was, and is, basically Quark.