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OK, I am going to pile this all into one forum thingy instead of placing many different ones. Here it goes
1)What are the advantages of the 17 PowerBook over the 15? Is it worth the $400 dollar difference (for me its that way, discounts rock)
2)Are APPLE users really more productive than Windows users? (this will be a help in getting one, due to the fact that I would WANT to use it)
3)Can one of the new PowerBook 17 or 15 run Panther? If so how much memory and hard drive space would it take up?
4)How long do you think one would last (in terms of usability)?
5)Do you think a 15 or 17 PowerBook would be good enough for internet use, iLife apps, word processing, and light gaming (i.e. the SIMS)?
6)How do DVDs look on the 15 and 17 PowerBooks?
I would want the 15 or 17 because 12 just seems too small to use and I would like them to be faster. As I stated in a different post, I would rather have a Notebook. Being limited to a desktop for the past 2 weeks has been torture. I have decided I want a PowerBook because I would like the SuperDrive. Oh and 2 more questions:
1)Is there a way to take my home movies (Already on full size VHS ) and burn them onto a DVD?
2)Can I make copies of my DVDs (not to sell illegally, just so the originals dont get ruined)?
Thanks for all of your help with this. This hopefully will convince my parents to get me one for Christmas. If not its job hunting I go in March (thats when I will be 15 /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif) This is my final try before giving up totally on my parents. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
17" and 15" PowerBooks
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 12:48 AM
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 04:19 AM
Response to first set fo questions:
1. The 17" has a slightly faster clock, and of course bigger screen. Beyond that I don't think there is too much of a difference.
2. That is matter of skill and opinion. I've known Windows users who can make the wretched things function quite well for them. Personally, in my 20+ years of computing experience, my Mac is the most pleasent, least frustrating environment I've worked in. As a result, I enjoy using it and I'm more productive.
3. Of course. They'll run Panther just fine. The OS takes up about 3 GB of drive space. As for memory, OS X likes RAM. The more you give it, the happier it will be. I wouldn't go less than 512M of RAM. 1 Gig would be good if you can afford it.
4. Depends how happy it makes you. Some folks flip there macs over semi-regularly and upgrade. There are folks who are quite happy with there Mac laptops from years ago.
5. More than enough power to handle the common duties of todays computers. If that's all you want to do, an iBook would probably suit you.
6. Mac's are notorious for stunningly beautiful LCD screens in their laptops. DVDs look amazing.
Second round of questions:
1. Sure. All you would need is a gadget that takes your video input and digitizes it for you so your Mac can cope with it. Studio DV from Formac is an example (http://www.formac.com).
2. Nevere tried it myself. But presumably all you would have to do is find some DVD ripping software out on the net somewhere. Then you can use standard DVD authoring tools to 'recreate' the DVD.
1. The 17" has a slightly faster clock, and of course bigger screen. Beyond that I don't think there is too much of a difference.
2. That is matter of skill and opinion. I've known Windows users who can make the wretched things function quite well for them. Personally, in my 20+ years of computing experience, my Mac is the most pleasent, least frustrating environment I've worked in. As a result, I enjoy using it and I'm more productive.
3. Of course. They'll run Panther just fine. The OS takes up about 3 GB of drive space. As for memory, OS X likes RAM. The more you give it, the happier it will be. I wouldn't go less than 512M of RAM. 1 Gig would be good if you can afford it.
4. Depends how happy it makes you. Some folks flip there macs over semi-regularly and upgrade. There are folks who are quite happy with there Mac laptops from years ago.
5. More than enough power to handle the common duties of todays computers. If that's all you want to do, an iBook would probably suit you.
6. Mac's are notorious for stunningly beautiful LCD screens in their laptops. DVDs look amazing.
Second round of questions:
1. Sure. All you would need is a gadget that takes your video input and digitizes it for you so your Mac can cope with it. Studio DV from Formac is an example (http://www.formac.com).
2. Nevere tried it myself. But presumably all you would have to do is find some DVD ripping software out on the net somewhere. Then you can use standard DVD authoring tools to 'recreate' the DVD.
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 07:41 AM
I just thought of another question:
Are the keys on the 15" laser etched like the 17"??
And the reason I would go for a PowerBook is for the SuperDrive. I would like to put any new home movies on DVD.
Are the keys on the 15" laser etched like the 17"??
And the reason I would go for a PowerBook is for the SuperDrive. I would like to put any new home movies on DVD.
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 09:24 AM
1- If you want a more portable computer, I'd go with the 15". The 17" does have a bigger screen, so it all depends on if you want more portability or more screen space imo.
2- I guess with productivity, you mean productivity on the computer? There was a survey that came out a year or so ago that said that Mac users were more productive with their computers, in case you didn't hear. That got a lot of arguments going!
As a cross platform user, I find that OSX is much easier to use while multitasking than WinXp. XP tends to bog down during some tasks, preventing me from going on to another task in another application. You can do anything you want using either platform, although I think it easier to do it on a Mac. If you want to do anything with DVDs, iDVD is great for easily putting your video together, and you can surf the web, check mail, etc while it is rendering and burning. Its all built in for you already.
3- Yes, probably a minimum of 512 RAM for basic things, more for heavy lifting like video editing. www.macsales.com has always had good ram, warranties, and prices. The OS will take up about 3GB, the iApps will take up about 3GB, and the OS will want overhead for performance issues. Video rendering will take lots of space, about 1GB for 5 minutes of full quality video or so. Maybe you'll want an external HD to hold all your video...
4- The newest shiniest computer? 6 mo. A good, usable computer for what you need? 4 years to 6, depending on your needs.
5- Yes, although a bigger screen is always nice. Remember, with PB's, you can plug in an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and use it like a desktop. Maybe you have a bigger monitor lying around?
6- They look good, but the 17" has a better wide screen aspect ratio, of course.
7- You can capture your vhs onto your computer with the right inputs, then convert it to digital and save it to dvd, and yes, you can make copies. If the DVD is not protected, you can just copy it onto your computer, and then burn a new DVD.
2- I guess with productivity, you mean productivity on the computer? There was a survey that came out a year or so ago that said that Mac users were more productive with their computers, in case you didn't hear. That got a lot of arguments going!
As a cross platform user, I find that OSX is much easier to use while multitasking than WinXp. XP tends to bog down during some tasks, preventing me from going on to another task in another application. You can do anything you want using either platform, although I think it easier to do it on a Mac. If you want to do anything with DVDs, iDVD is great for easily putting your video together, and you can surf the web, check mail, etc while it is rendering and burning. Its all built in for you already.
3- Yes, probably a minimum of 512 RAM for basic things, more for heavy lifting like video editing. www.macsales.com has always had good ram, warranties, and prices. The OS will take up about 3GB, the iApps will take up about 3GB, and the OS will want overhead for performance issues. Video rendering will take lots of space, about 1GB for 5 minutes of full quality video or so. Maybe you'll want an external HD to hold all your video...
4- The newest shiniest computer? 6 mo. A good, usable computer for what you need? 4 years to 6, depending on your needs.
5- Yes, although a bigger screen is always nice. Remember, with PB's, you can plug in an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and use it like a desktop. Maybe you have a bigger monitor lying around?
6- They look good, but the 17" has a better wide screen aspect ratio, of course.
7- You can capture your vhs onto your computer with the right inputs, then convert it to digital and save it to dvd, and yes, you can make copies. If the DVD is not protected, you can just copy it onto your computer, and then burn a new DVD.
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Posted 26 October 2003 - 02:01 PM
Hi
It would seem that the only real difference is the 2" screen size. I'm very satisfied with my 15" and after using iBooks in stores I also think that 12" is just too small. So, if you think that the screen size difference and a bit of a speed boost is worth that extra $400 than go for it, if not you save $400.
Well...I currently have two "side jobs." I work for a local PC repair shop and, of course, my own small business. I'm also just getting done with 2.5 years of going to college for PC repair and network administration. I feel MUCH more productive and happy working on our Macs. But, that is a personal opinion and experience. I know people that have no problems with their Windows boxes but I've had completely the opposite.
Heck yeah. As stated earlier, the Mac OS (especially 10.x.x) loves it RAM. As much as you can honestly afford is always a good idea. Plus, it helps for future "growth." After having Photoshop 7, Studio MX, a few 6xxMB AVI movies, a few QuickTime movies (including a some Apple commercials), all of the iApps, all of the Panther components (languages, printer drivers), a handful of shareware apps, my 4.6GB (128Kbps AAC format) legal music collection (I still haven't got a handful of CDs ripped yet), etc...I still have almost 75% space left on my hard drive. Panther is VERY zippy on my system.
For me, it seems to work out to pretty much exactly 3 years. But some around here upgrade everytime something new comes out. In truth, it comes out to about the same thing. You either pay $2,000-3,000 every three years or $500 or so every 6-9 months. I've noticed that buying as "top of the line" as you can honestly afford is really worthwhile. I've had my Ti since January and it seems faster than when I bought it. I really think I'll easily be able to make my 3 year or more upgrade deadline, it's a great feeling!
Should indefinitely. I do play music, run setiathome.berkeley.eduSETI@Home, browse the net, check email...All at once with only a little to no performance hit.
Just fine with me.
Sure is. It will require you to get an analog to digital converter, about $100-300 for something for consumer level (we're not talking the multiple millions of dollars of equipment they use in HollyWood
) and the iApps should work.
You can use DVDBackup to rip the files to your hard drive and get rid of any copy protection. However, most commercial DVDs are much larger than the "General Use" DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs that are compatible with Apple's SuperDrives. So, you can't normally copy exactly but rather have to use something like QuickTime, iMovie, and/or some utilities to take down the quality a bit to get the size down to around 4.5GB. But that's up to you whether or not you wish to do that.
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1) What are the advantages of the 17 PowerBook over the 15? Is it worth the $400 dollar difference (for me its that way, discounts rock)
1) What are the advantages of the 17 PowerBook over the 15? Is it worth the $400 dollar difference (for me its that way, discounts rock)
It would seem that the only real difference is the 2" screen size. I'm very satisfied with my 15" and after using iBooks in stores I also think that 12" is just too small. So, if you think that the screen size difference and a bit of a speed boost is worth that extra $400 than go for it, if not you save $400.
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2) Are APPLE users really more productive than Windows users? (this will be a help in getting one, due to the fact that I would WANT to use it)
2) Are APPLE users really more productive than Windows users? (this will be a help in getting one, due to the fact that I would WANT to use it)
Well...I currently have two "side jobs." I work for a local PC repair shop and, of course, my own small business. I'm also just getting done with 2.5 years of going to college for PC repair and network administration. I feel MUCH more productive and happy working on our Macs. But, that is a personal opinion and experience. I know people that have no problems with their Windows boxes but I've had completely the opposite.
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3) Can one of the new PowerBook 17 or 15 run Panther? If so how much memory and hard drive space would it take up?
3) Can one of the new PowerBook 17 or 15 run Panther? If so how much memory and hard drive space would it take up?
Heck yeah. As stated earlier, the Mac OS (especially 10.x.x) loves it RAM. As much as you can honestly afford is always a good idea. Plus, it helps for future "growth." After having Photoshop 7, Studio MX, a few 6xxMB AVI movies, a few QuickTime movies (including a some Apple commercials), all of the iApps, all of the Panther components (languages, printer drivers), a handful of shareware apps, my 4.6GB (128Kbps AAC format) legal music collection (I still haven't got a handful of CDs ripped yet), etc...I still have almost 75% space left on my hard drive. Panther is VERY zippy on my system.
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4) How long do you think one would last (in terms of usability)?
4) How long do you think one would last (in terms of usability)?
For me, it seems to work out to pretty much exactly 3 years. But some around here upgrade everytime something new comes out. In truth, it comes out to about the same thing. You either pay $2,000-3,000 every three years or $500 or so every 6-9 months. I've noticed that buying as "top of the line" as you can honestly afford is really worthwhile. I've had my Ti since January and it seems faster than when I bought it. I really think I'll easily be able to make my 3 year or more upgrade deadline, it's a great feeling!
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5) Do you think a 15 or 17 PowerBook would be good enough for internet use, iLife apps, word processing, and light gaming (i.e. the SIMS)?
5) Do you think a 15 or 17 PowerBook would be good enough for internet use, iLife apps, word processing, and light gaming (i.e. the SIMS)?
Should indefinitely. I do play music, run setiathome.berkeley.eduSETI@Home, browse the net, check email...All at once with only a little to no performance hit.
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6) How do DVDs look on the 15 and 17 PowerBooks?
6) How do DVDs look on the 15 and 17 PowerBooks?
Just fine with me.
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1) Is there a way to take my home movies (Already on full size VHS ) and burn them onto a DVD?
1) Is there a way to take my home movies (Already on full size VHS ) and burn them onto a DVD?
Sure is. It will require you to get an analog to digital converter, about $100-300 for something for consumer level (we're not talking the multiple millions of dollars of equipment they use in HollyWood
) and the iApps should work.In reply to:
2) Can I make copies of my DVDs (not to sell illegally, just so the originals dont get ruined)?
2) Can I make copies of my DVDs (not to sell illegally, just so the originals dont get ruined)?
You can use DVDBackup to rip the files to your hard drive and get rid of any copy protection. However, most commercial DVDs are much larger than the "General Use" DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs that are compatible with Apple's SuperDrives. So, you can't normally copy exactly but rather have to use something like QuickTime, iMovie, and/or some utilities to take down the quality a bit to get the size down to around 4.5GB. But that's up to you whether or not you wish to do that.
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Posted 28 October 2003 - 05:26 PM
I have a couple more questions:
1) Are the screens really easy on the eyes? It seems to me the brighter it is the more stressful it would be.
2) How are things in proportion on 15" and 17"? (I mean like DVD's, Games and things in general)
1) Are the screens really easy on the eyes? It seems to me the brighter it is the more stressful it would be.
2) How are things in proportion on 15" and 17"? (I mean like DVD's, Games and things in general)
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Posted 28 October 2003 - 06:16 PM
In reply to:
1) Are the screens really easy on the eyes? It seems to me the brighter it is the more stressful it would be.
1) Are the screens really easy on the eyes? It seems to me the brighter it is the more stressful it would be.
Quite the opposite. My aging Powerbook screen is getting dim. Not too bad at home, but in a bright office meeting room it is getting to the point where I can hardly see the thing, and that's eyestrain. I'd love a screen I can see near a window on a nice day. Reports are the new PBs are good like that. You can always turn down the screen brightness if you think it's too bright, and turning it down saves battery.
Also, it's not just brightness, but contrast, sharpness, and uniformity also make a good screen. Unevenly lit or fuzzy screens make eyes hurt.
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Posted 28 October 2003 - 07:49 PM
I dont mean to sound like a nut but...
Is it possible to fall in love with a machine and OS that you have never even seen (in person)
And is it just me, or does OS X look easier to use???
Is it possible to fall in love with a machine and OS that you have never even seen (in person)
And is it just me, or does OS X look easier to use???
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 05:06 AM
Last night, my girlfriend tried to explain to me how i never am away from my Tibook. It's almost sad, but I love to use my powerbook. I have a 15 inch and i do everything with it. I have several windows machines too, and have tinkered with linux, but I always use my powerbook for everything. It's just easier to use and you don't have as many of the stupid problems that you have with Windows machines. It's true, there are some things that work better on a windows machine, but there is sooo much more that works better on an Apple. Just look at how many people showed up at the apple stores for the panther release. There were 3 hour lines and crowds all over the streets in front of apple stores. You think it was like that when windows Me came out?
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 06:19 AM
>>You think it was like that when windows Me came out?
No, because every store in america carried the software, not just Apple stores and CompUSA,
As to the 15"/17" thing...I have a 15" because the 17" is just too big...it almost serves as a desktop replacement and requires all new bags and other things to carry it around...on a recent flight on American Airlines, I found my 15" took up the entire tray area, a 17" would not have even fit in my space without overlapping onto my neighbors tray which would have been quite inexcusable...
If you don't plan on toting the powerbook around a lot, the 17" has a very nice screen, but that is about the only difference (or the only difference that can't be upgrade on the 15" anyway)...
THe 15" is standard portable computer size these days. Talk about small, before I got the powerbook, I was using an Acer Tablet PC with a 9" screen!!!!! DROVE ME NUTS!!!
As someone who switched to Mac about a year ago, I will never go back to PC...
One caveat -- if you are into graphics and dvd's and things, the screen makes a big difference -- things look MUCH better on a Mac...BUT...if you want a bigger screen for games, DON"T DO IT! Most PC and console games are lightyears ahead of the mac and you won't find it suitable for power gaming. See the Fun and Games forum for that discussion.
No, because every store in america carried the software, not just Apple stores and CompUSA,
As to the 15"/17" thing...I have a 15" because the 17" is just too big...it almost serves as a desktop replacement and requires all new bags and other things to carry it around...on a recent flight on American Airlines, I found my 15" took up the entire tray area, a 17" would not have even fit in my space without overlapping onto my neighbors tray which would have been quite inexcusable...
If you don't plan on toting the powerbook around a lot, the 17" has a very nice screen, but that is about the only difference (or the only difference that can't be upgrade on the 15" anyway)...
THe 15" is standard portable computer size these days. Talk about small, before I got the powerbook, I was using an Acer Tablet PC with a 9" screen!!!!! DROVE ME NUTS!!!
As someone who switched to Mac about a year ago, I will never go back to PC...
One caveat -- if you are into graphics and dvd's and things, the screen makes a big difference -- things look MUCH better on a Mac...BUT...if you want a bigger screen for games, DON"T DO IT! Most PC and console games are lightyears ahead of the mac and you won't find it suitable for power gaming. See the Fun and Games forum for that discussion.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 07:14 PM
I just came up with 3 more questions:
1) Is it true that you can not maximize something to full screen? (I heard this somewhere)
2) Can one of the APPLE monitors be hooked up to a PC?
3)Can the Apple Care Protection Plan be purchaced at a later date, or do you have to buy it with your Mac?
1) Is it true that you can not maximize something to full screen? (I heard this somewhere)
2) Can one of the APPLE monitors be hooked up to a PC?
3)Can the Apple Care Protection Plan be purchaced at a later date, or do you have to buy it with your Mac?
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 08:30 PM
Hi
What in particular are you thinking of?
Not ones in the past few years. They use Apple's proprietary Apple Display Connector (ADC) which provides a digital signal, USB signal, and power all in one cable that requires no screws but rather has clips. Simple and tidy. Well, I guess, I shouldn't speak too soon. If you purchase Apple's DVI-to-ADC converter for ~$100, than you should be able to. That is, hoping Windows has a compatible driver (got to hate that).
Now, that would depend. If you are buying a tower AND an Apple display, in order to cover the display with the tower, you must purchase the tower, display, and AppleCare all at the same time and on the same slip. Otherwise, if you purchase a PowerBook, iMac, eMac, iBook, or tower (Power Mac) without an Apple display you can purchase AppleCare anytime BEFORE your one year warranty is up.
Let me also mention something, since it's been a bother for me lately. The standard warranty only has 90 days of phone/tech support. If you buy AppleCare right away, you get the full three years of support. Apple is really getting touchy about this. After 90 days you either have to have AppleCare or pay Apple $49 for 5 days of tech support for the same problem and it will be refunded if it turns out to be a hardware failure.
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1) Is it true that you can not maximize something to full screen? (I heard this somewhere)
1) Is it true that you can not maximize something to full screen? (I heard this somewhere)
What in particular are you thinking of?
In reply to:
2) Can one of the APPLE monitors be hooked up to a PC?
2) Can one of the APPLE monitors be hooked up to a PC?
Not ones in the past few years. They use Apple's proprietary Apple Display Connector (ADC) which provides a digital signal, USB signal, and power all in one cable that requires no screws but rather has clips. Simple and tidy. Well, I guess, I shouldn't speak too soon. If you purchase Apple's DVI-to-ADC converter for ~$100, than you should be able to. That is, hoping Windows has a compatible driver (got to hate that).
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3)Can the Apple Care Protection Plan be purchaced at a later date, or do you have to buy it with your Mac?
3)Can the Apple Care Protection Plan be purchaced at a later date, or do you have to buy it with your Mac?
Now, that would depend. If you are buying a tower AND an Apple display, in order to cover the display with the tower, you must purchase the tower, display, and AppleCare all at the same time and on the same slip. Otherwise, if you purchase a PowerBook, iMac, eMac, iBook, or tower (Power Mac) without an Apple display you can purchase AppleCare anytime BEFORE your one year warranty is up.
Let me also mention something, since it's been a bother for me lately. The standard warranty only has 90 days of phone/tech support. If you buy AppleCare right away, you get the full three years of support. Apple is really getting touchy about this. After 90 days you either have to have AppleCare or pay Apple $49 for 5 days of tech support for the same problem and it will be refunded if it turns out to be a hardware failure.
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In reply to MacCheetah3, What in particular are you thinking of?:
Just windows in general. Like th internet, word processing, files ect.
Just windows in general. Like th internet, word processing, files ect.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 08:54 PM
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OK...Well, yes I've heard "stories" about this but never use it in Windows anyway. Supposedly in Windows you can make windows go absolutely full screen...corner...to corner...to corner...to corner. Mac OS X allows you to go from below the menu bar all the way to the top of the Dock...Plus, of course, all the way to each side edge. If you have the Dock "hiding," you should be able to go to the very bottom of the screen. What more do you really need?
Now, it could be very likely that I'm just confused about this whole situation as well. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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OK...Well, yes I've heard "stories" about this but never use it in Windows anyway. Supposedly in Windows you can make windows go absolutely full screen...corner...to corner...to corner...to corner. Mac OS X allows you to go from below the menu bar all the way to the top of the Dock...Plus, of course, all the way to each side edge. If you have the Dock "hiding," you should be able to go to the very bottom of the screen. What more do you really need?
Now, it could be very likely that I'm just confused about this whole situation as well. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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