Googles Gmail vs. .Mac
#44
Posted 12 June 2004 - 11:18 AM
In reply to:
So Dan, in Gmail next to the Forward button at the bottom, there is a "Invite xxx to join Gmail". Can you refer others as Beta testers? Is this feature working yet? I sure would like an account before the names become hard to get.
So Dan, in Gmail next to the Forward button at the bottom, there is a "Invite xxx to join Gmail". Can you refer others as Beta testers? Is this feature working yet? I sure would like an account before the names become hard to get.
Yep, Google occasionally gives testers "invitations." Unfortunately, I've only been allocated two so far, and have already given those away /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif But I suspect they'll start opening up accounts fairly soon...
#45
Posted 12 June 2004 - 12:48 PM
Thanks for the clarification...
So in actuality, it can be viewed as the electronic version of targeted mail (not mass-mailed ads), such as what is put together from retailers and airline frequent flier plans' demographic and purchase behavior research?
And, what is your experience with the spam filtration? With the burgeoning problems with spam, I have even had legitimate messages sent to corporate sites rejected by overzealous filters. For that reason, I use SpamSieve on my main account. Once a week or so, I scan over the potential spam, and delete it all if nothing's found. Being that the spammers will probably stay one step ahead, it will be interesting to see what countermeasures are developed.
So in actuality, it can be viewed as the electronic version of targeted mail (not mass-mailed ads), such as what is put together from retailers and airline frequent flier plans' demographic and purchase behavior research?
And, what is your experience with the spam filtration? With the burgeoning problems with spam, I have even had legitimate messages sent to corporate sites rejected by overzealous filters. For that reason, I use SpamSieve on my main account. Once a week or so, I scan over the potential spam, and delete it all if nothing's found. Being that the spammers will probably stay one step ahead, it will be interesting to see what countermeasures are developed.
#48
Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:41 PM
(quick aside: I'm not new here. I used to be Webdiva, but I lost my old account information and so I just signed up with this new one. I had thousands of posts!)
Anywho, I've been using Gmail for about a week now, and I have put it through the paces as far as spam goes. I've signed up for twenty or more lists, and no trouble at all so far. The greatest thing about Gmail is that you can set up "labels" (which are really named folders; you can call them whatever you like, such as My Junk, Cats, Silverware) and assign messages to them easily. For people who love to sort and archive and organize email, it's the best management system I've ever seen.
And there's been a lot of very paranoid supposition surrounding the ads. It's not what you are thinking. (Me and some people at my blog have been talking about this today here. ) Personally, I like the targeted ads because they actually do have something to do with the message they appear beside. I even like to click them. I think Google is on to something good, here.
Anywho, I've been using Gmail for about a week now, and I have put it through the paces as far as spam goes. I've signed up for twenty or more lists, and no trouble at all so far. The greatest thing about Gmail is that you can set up "labels" (which are really named folders; you can call them whatever you like, such as My Junk, Cats, Silverware) and assign messages to them easily. For people who love to sort and archive and organize email, it's the best management system I've ever seen.
And there's been a lot of very paranoid supposition surrounding the ads. It's not what you are thinking. (Me and some people at my blog have been talking about this today here. ) Personally, I like the targeted ads because they actually do have something to do with the message they appear beside. I even like to click them. I think Google is on to something good, here.
#49
Posted 16 June 2004 - 12:45 AM
I just checked my Yahoo mail and they've Changed the size of it to 100 meg (good timing too, I was at 91% )
There's also an option now to automatically sort mail into various folders which I think is new.
The best part though is that attatchments can now be up to 10meg.
Is it possible that Yahoo is scared? Until they add the threading option, they're not scared enough.
There's also an option now to automatically sort mail into various folders which I think is new.
The best part though is that attatchments can now be up to 10meg.
Is it possible that Yahoo is scared? Until they add the threading option, they're not scared enough.
#50
Posted 23 June 2004 - 01:40 PM
now that i actually have gmail (thanks to gmailswap.com ), i have a couple more comments:
gmail is just webmail, but it's really good webmail. it seems quite good at threading conversations, even among multiple people. other nice features: option to hide/show quoted text in emails (i want this in mail.app!!), the labels system, filters (rules), nice uncluttered interface, small unobtrusive text ads, loads fast, and no "join gmail!" tagline added to the bottom of all your outgoing messages. cons: creating/editing filters seems to make safari quit unexpectedly quite often for me, but it works flawlessly in firefox. but as i have an imap account through my university, gmail won't ever be my primary email.
even with the recent upgrades to yahoo's free services, i think gmail is still the best free webmail out there right now. the advantage of yahoo is that if you ever decide you want to download all your email onto your own computer, you can pay yahoo a fee to get POP access.
gmail is just webmail, but it's really good webmail. it seems quite good at threading conversations, even among multiple people. other nice features: option to hide/show quoted text in emails (i want this in mail.app!!), the labels system, filters (rules), nice uncluttered interface, small unobtrusive text ads, loads fast, and no "join gmail!" tagline added to the bottom of all your outgoing messages. cons: creating/editing filters seems to make safari quit unexpectedly quite often for me, but it works flawlessly in firefox. but as i have an imap account through my university, gmail won't ever be my primary email.
even with the recent upgrades to yahoo's free services, i think gmail is still the best free webmail out there right now. the advantage of yahoo is that if you ever decide you want to download all your email onto your own computer, you can pay yahoo a fee to get POP access.
#54
Posted 24 June 2004 - 09:44 AM
I've been using GMail for the past week and find it to work very well. Just a couple of things of note...
The process of permanently deleting a message seems more complex than with other web based email services. But, that's because GMail wants you to keep old email because everytime you open a message you'll get new ads (the ads change over time even though you're continually looking at the same message).
The ads themselves are supposed to be family friendly. That doesn't quite work, however. An email from Laura Bush (sent by the Bush for President Campaign) had a "sponsored link" that featured pictures of the Statue of Liberty making obscene gestures. Whoops! Another email, this time from Gov. Howard Dean (remember him?), featured a sponsored link to a Republican web site. Yikes!
I also find that GMail doesn't always work on Safari. Sometimes it does, other times it just hangs on a blank screen. Works great on Firefox, except that like Safari and IE HTML pages are cut off on the right so that you can see the Google ads.
I'd like to see GMail become more stable with Safari.
GMail is certainly faster than Hotmail, but for spam blocking free web mail I find Mailbocks to be superior to anything I've tried so far. It's fast, it works on Safari and it's VERY effective at blocking spam.
After using GMail I can see that there shouldn't be a worry about anyone reading your email. The ads are obviously computer generated and usually innocuous. I hope these "privacy advocates" come down as hard on AOL (for their employee selling all the screen name information to a spammer) as they did on Google. Google's GMail desire to place ads on email messages doesn't seem to infringe on privacy any more than anti-spam software.
The process of permanently deleting a message seems more complex than with other web based email services. But, that's because GMail wants you to keep old email because everytime you open a message you'll get new ads (the ads change over time even though you're continually looking at the same message).
The ads themselves are supposed to be family friendly. That doesn't quite work, however. An email from Laura Bush (sent by the Bush for President Campaign) had a "sponsored link" that featured pictures of the Statue of Liberty making obscene gestures. Whoops! Another email, this time from Gov. Howard Dean (remember him?), featured a sponsored link to a Republican web site. Yikes!
I also find that GMail doesn't always work on Safari. Sometimes it does, other times it just hangs on a blank screen. Works great on Firefox, except that like Safari and IE HTML pages are cut off on the right so that you can see the Google ads.
I'd like to see GMail become more stable with Safari.
GMail is certainly faster than Hotmail, but for spam blocking free web mail I find Mailbocks to be superior to anything I've tried so far. It's fast, it works on Safari and it's VERY effective at blocking spam.
After using GMail I can see that there shouldn't be a worry about anyone reading your email. The ads are obviously computer generated and usually innocuous. I hope these "privacy advocates" come down as hard on AOL (for their employee selling all the screen name information to a spammer) as they did on Google. Google's GMail desire to place ads on email messages doesn't seem to infringe on privacy any more than anti-spam software.
#55
Posted 24 June 2004 - 03:39 PM
Competition is good.
I had started geting frustrated with my 15 MB .mac email and 100 MB other capacity. Now with MSN and Yahoo Free storage at 250 MB, and of course Gmail offering 1 GB, I wonder how long before Apple increases my storage? Wonder to what level will they inrease it to.
My renewal is due in October, hurry up Apple.
I had started geting frustrated with my 15 MB .mac email and 100 MB other capacity. Now with MSN and Yahoo Free storage at 250 MB, and of course Gmail offering 1 GB, I wonder how long before Apple increases my storage? Wonder to what level will they inrease it to.
My renewal is due in October, hurry up Apple.



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