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Ok finally breaking down and am makng the moce from OS9 to OSX
Other than the obivious of backing my my important data what advice does anyone have?
Is it ok to jump from 9 to 10.3 or do I need to get 10.2 first.
What hazzards may I encounter and how can I avoid them.
Any advice is greatly appreceiated
Re: upgrading to panther NEED ADVICE!
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 06:16 AM
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Is it ok to jump from 9 to 10.3 or do I need to get 10.2 first.
You can go straight to 10.3. Each 10.x release of OS X is a standalone release.Is it ok to jump from 9 to 10.3 or do I need to get 10.2 first.
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Other than the obivious of backing my my important data what advice does anyone have?
Make sure you run Disk First Aid on the disk first (or Diskwarrior if you have it). You want your file system healthy before the install. I can't think of much else.
Other than the obivious of backing my my important data what advice does anyone have?
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 07:22 AM
I would recommend going for the upgrade to Panther. The difference between OS9 and OSX will be stunning.
I would add this note. Be prepared for a learning curve. OSX is different from OS9. A lot of the things you've be used to doing in OS9 will work differently, be moved, etc... I have a couple of weeks when I transistioned where It was just different enough that little things I did automatically I had to think about how to do.
That first day when you sitting in front of machine running Panther and your wondering where did that blankety blank function go??? Don't blame OSX, you just learning some thing new and it may take a few days.
I would add this note. Be prepared for a learning curve. OSX is different from OS9. A lot of the things you've be used to doing in OS9 will work differently, be moved, etc... I have a couple of weeks when I transistioned where It was just different enough that little things I did automatically I had to think about how to do.
That first day when you sitting in front of machine running Panther and your wondering where did that blankety blank function go??? Don't blame OSX, you just learning some thing new and it may take a few days.
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 10:07 AM
Here are some hopefully helpful links ...
Apple ... How to Upgrade From ...
http://www.apple.com...ions/howto.html
Make sure you have 9.2.2 if you can
If you want to continue to run apps in Classic, don't erase your disk. Install X alongside
Questions About Upgrading to X
http://www.apple.com...rade/questions/
Panther Installation Process - Detailed
http://discussions.i...if1.0@.599b3b48
Good luck .. you will love OSX! If you can let us know how it works out..
Apple ... How to Upgrade From ...
http://www.apple.com...ions/howto.html
Make sure you have 9.2.2 if you can
If you want to continue to run apps in Classic, don't erase your disk. Install X alongside
Questions About Upgrading to X
http://www.apple.com...rade/questions/
Panther Installation Process - Detailed
http://discussions.i...if1.0@.599b3b48
Good luck .. you will love OSX! If you can let us know how it works out..
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 11:55 AM
Good luck.... you will hate it. Just made the same big leap a month ago and am still suffering. I know I must learn it and perhaps will come to like it, at least many tell me that. but thus far it has been nothing but major learning curve-- pay close attention to what someone said above about that and this X thing being unlike any Mac you've ever enjoyed and I have enjoyed every minute of mac of over 18 years until this month. And the learning curve is not only for the OS but for every peice of software you have been using.
And pray you are one of the lucky ones who has few problems and not one of the rest of us that have daily crashes, freezes, unexpected quits etc etc etc. I have nothing but respect for those who have found this thing so wonderful and stable, but a quick look at these forums as well as the Apple forums will point to pages and pages and pages of people having trouble with one aspect or another.
and be prepared to do some strange tings and get strange advice about entering wierd looking codes that mean nthing into something called Terminal which near as I can figure out is somewhat akin to the old ResEdit we were told to avoid.
And a major piece of advice is be sure be very sure what you want to name your computer and your SHORT USER NAME correctly because if you err, it can only be changed under penalty of potential death. I had no idea that you had to have permission to use your own stuff until i got into this. Now I have names that don't make sense and confuse us. This OS is evidentally for groups with multiple users on one machine because it certainly was not designed for the elegant simplcity of single users I have enjoyed all these years.
So coming from someone very close it sounds to your situation, read a ton, get some books, study and perhaps together we can come out the other side. And already the boards are full of people having problems making one tenth upgrade to 10.3.5.
I have loved my macs for 18+ years and will continue to, but these glowing reports are absolutely misleading at best. its tough real tough....... hopefully you won't ahve all the problems and crashes but you will have the new learning and god help you figure out what to do with your fonts...... I mean its so simple jus decide which of 3 or 4 places you want to put them and hope you don't err and cause all kinds of problems even if they do work.
And pray you are one of the lucky ones who has few problems and not one of the rest of us that have daily crashes, freezes, unexpected quits etc etc etc. I have nothing but respect for those who have found this thing so wonderful and stable, but a quick look at these forums as well as the Apple forums will point to pages and pages and pages of people having trouble with one aspect or another.
and be prepared to do some strange tings and get strange advice about entering wierd looking codes that mean nthing into something called Terminal which near as I can figure out is somewhat akin to the old ResEdit we were told to avoid.
And a major piece of advice is be sure be very sure what you want to name your computer and your SHORT USER NAME correctly because if you err, it can only be changed under penalty of potential death. I had no idea that you had to have permission to use your own stuff until i got into this. Now I have names that don't make sense and confuse us. This OS is evidentally for groups with multiple users on one machine because it certainly was not designed for the elegant simplcity of single users I have enjoyed all these years.
So coming from someone very close it sounds to your situation, read a ton, get some books, study and perhaps together we can come out the other side. And already the boards are full of people having problems making one tenth upgrade to 10.3.5.
I have loved my macs for 18+ years and will continue to, but these glowing reports are absolutely misleading at best. its tough real tough....... hopefully you won't ahve all the problems and crashes but you will have the new learning and god help you figure out what to do with your fonts...... I mean its so simple jus decide which of 3 or 4 places you want to put them and hope you don't err and cause all kinds of problems even if they do work.
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 12:04 PM
That's a shame you've had such a tough time.
I upgraded to OS X 10.1 in October of 2001, and haven't had perhaps half a dozen freezes or crashes since. That's been true over four different computers (my old desktop, my new desktop, my wife's iMac and my iBook), under tremendous load (I'd say between me and my wife we spend at least 12 person-hours a day on our computers), and often adding hardware peripherals or new software widgets.
What's more, OS X has re-invigorated my enthusiasm for my Mac and for computing in general. Some of that is the OS, some must be just the thrill of learning new things, but I can honestly say that I'm much more satisfied with my computing experience now than I was at the end of my pre-X days.
I upgraded to OS X 10.1 in October of 2001, and haven't had perhaps half a dozen freezes or crashes since. That's been true over four different computers (my old desktop, my new desktop, my wife's iMac and my iBook), under tremendous load (I'd say between me and my wife we spend at least 12 person-hours a day on our computers), and often adding hardware peripherals or new software widgets.
What's more, OS X has re-invigorated my enthusiasm for my Mac and for computing in general. Some of that is the OS, some must be just the thrill of learning new things, but I can honestly say that I'm much more satisfied with my computing experience now than I was at the end of my pre-X days.
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 12:30 PM
I have to say that I agree with lkalliance. I tried out the Public Beta but wasn't very impressed, so I passed on 10.0 entirely (even with its nice discount for being a PB user). But when 10.1 came out it sounded like they'd made some major improvements. It had come out of its beta-beginnings and was now a full-fledged operating system. And developers were developing! I have done every minor upgrade since, and really didn't find the learning curve all that steep (I'm almost 69, so that's saying a bit LOL). I am now over 95% into OS X, with only PageMaker holding me from making the switch complete.
[Edit] Oh, and BTW, as for crashes. Only one with the system itself back in Jaguar on my old Cube. Nothing at all on the iMac or G5 other than a rare app crash. Safari more than anything else.
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[Edit] Oh, and BTW, as for crashes. Only one with the system itself back in Jaguar on my old Cube. Nothing at all on the iMac or G5 other than a rare app crash. Safari more than anything else.
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 01:45 PM
I was also very concerned when I pretty recently made the switch. Been using Macs since '84 and I was really worried about being lost. I got Scott Kelby's Book "The Mac OSX Conversion Kit: 9 to 10 Side by Side" and it was great. Anything I couldn't figure out was right in there so I didn't have to study a whole manual. Very Mac-like! (Remember the old saying, "I use a Mac - I'm not used to having to RTFM!")
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 03:50 PM
Wow, this response has nothing to do with the OSX experience of most users. Mr. Deacincola I would suggest you post your problems on this board and they would be solved in short order.
You will never need to go near the terminal unless you want to become a Unix hacker or coder.
If you take my advice at the end of this post you will probably never have a crash or freeze. Remember that some users are working with too little ram, hard disk space, or a myriad of other problems they have never addressed.
You are free to set up the machine for single user ... but it works easily and wonderfully for multiple users.... just like they had their own computer .. it's fantastic .. I've never had a problem.
After you have installed Panther ..
For trouble free OSX computing, I recommend these simple steps and applications ..
They pose no threat to your system in any way ..
As a rule of thumb ... Before & After any update .. Repair permissions: Close all files and applications on the disk you want to repair. Go to Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility and double click it. Then select your hard drive in the left panel and First Aid at the top. Then click on "Repair Permissions." It will take a few minutes.
Use These Maintenance Tools ..
Macaroni .. Just Set It and Forget It!
http://www.macupdate...nfo.php/id/9633
Why should you have to remember to clean up your Mac every day, every week, and every month? Shouldn't a computer be able to remember for you?
Macaroni is a tool which handles regular maintenance for Mac OS X, including the Mac OS X repair permissions process (once a week), as well as Unix-style maintenance. Without Macaroni, some of these tasks normally run in the middle of the night, and don't get run unless you leave your Mac on all night. Others don't run automatically at all, and won't happen unless you remember when they're due.
Macaroni runs these maintenance tasks on a regular schedule, regardless of when your Mac is on. If a scheduled maintenance task is not run when it's normally scheduled, Macaroni automatically ensures that it's run at the next opportunity, whenever the Mac is on. Macaroni installs into your system preferences and you can configure and monitor it from there if need be. Otherwise, just "set it and forget it".
Once a month or so run this ...
Cache Out X
http://www.macupdate...nfo.php/id/9538
Cache Out X clears out the cache entries on your machine, helping you recover valuable disk space on your machine. Items removed include the caches in System, Users, and Library, along with the Internet Explorer download cache. Optionally clears the IE's history cache as well. Requires restart after completion.
If you can, buy a copy of Disk Warrior and keep it on hand for any major issues that might arise.
Stay away from third party system hacks ( "haxies" ). Don't add extra fonts unless you have to.
For complete peace of mind buy Applecare before your first year of ownership runs out. It will pay for itself with one service issue .. plus the phone support is excellent as well ...
These steps should prevent 95% of the problems that users may run into.
Disclaimer .... the above is just my opinion based on my experiences.
Happy Computing!
You will never need to go near the terminal unless you want to become a Unix hacker or coder.
If you take my advice at the end of this post you will probably never have a crash or freeze. Remember that some users are working with too little ram, hard disk space, or a myriad of other problems they have never addressed.
You are free to set up the machine for single user ... but it works easily and wonderfully for multiple users.... just like they had their own computer .. it's fantastic .. I've never had a problem.
After you have installed Panther ..
For trouble free OSX computing, I recommend these simple steps and applications ..
They pose no threat to your system in any way ..
As a rule of thumb ... Before & After any update .. Repair permissions: Close all files and applications on the disk you want to repair. Go to Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility and double click it. Then select your hard drive in the left panel and First Aid at the top. Then click on "Repair Permissions." It will take a few minutes.
Use These Maintenance Tools ..
Macaroni .. Just Set It and Forget It!
http://www.macupdate...nfo.php/id/9633
Why should you have to remember to clean up your Mac every day, every week, and every month? Shouldn't a computer be able to remember for you?
Macaroni is a tool which handles regular maintenance for Mac OS X, including the Mac OS X repair permissions process (once a week), as well as Unix-style maintenance. Without Macaroni, some of these tasks normally run in the middle of the night, and don't get run unless you leave your Mac on all night. Others don't run automatically at all, and won't happen unless you remember when they're due.
Macaroni runs these maintenance tasks on a regular schedule, regardless of when your Mac is on. If a scheduled maintenance task is not run when it's normally scheduled, Macaroni automatically ensures that it's run at the next opportunity, whenever the Mac is on. Macaroni installs into your system preferences and you can configure and monitor it from there if need be. Otherwise, just "set it and forget it".
Once a month or so run this ...
Cache Out X
http://www.macupdate...nfo.php/id/9538
Cache Out X clears out the cache entries on your machine, helping you recover valuable disk space on your machine. Items removed include the caches in System, Users, and Library, along with the Internet Explorer download cache. Optionally clears the IE's history cache as well. Requires restart after completion.
If you can, buy a copy of Disk Warrior and keep it on hand for any major issues that might arise.
Stay away from third party system hacks ( "haxies" ). Don't add extra fonts unless you have to.
For complete peace of mind buy Applecare before your first year of ownership runs out. It will pay for itself with one service issue .. plus the phone support is excellent as well ...
These steps should prevent 95% of the problems that users may run into.
Disclaimer .... the above is just my opinion based on my experiences.
Happy Computing!
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Posted 11 August 2004 - 04:45 PM
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Good luck.... you will hate it. Just made the same big leap a month ago and am still suffering. I know I must learn it and perhaps will come to like it, at least many tell me that. but thus far it has been nothing but major learning curve-- pay close attention to what someone said above about that and this X thing being unlike any Mac you've ever enjoyed and I have enjoyed every minute of mac of over 18 years until this month. And the learning curve is not only for the OS but for every peice of software you have been using.
And pray you are one of the lucky ones who has few problems and not one of the rest of us that have daily crashes, freezes, unexpected quits etc etc etc. I have nothing but respect for those who have found this thing so wonderful and stable, but a quick look at these forums as well as the Apple forums will point to pages and pages and pages of people having trouble with one aspect or another.
and be prepared to do some strange tings and get strange advice about entering wierd looking codes that mean nthing into something called Terminal which near as I can figure out is somewhat akin to the old ResEdit we were told to avoid.
And a major piece of advice is be sure be very sure what you want to name your computer and your SHORT USER NAME correctly because if you err, it can only be changed under penalty of potential death. I had no idea that you had to have permission to use your own stuff until i got into this. Now I have names that don't make sense and confuse us. This OS is evidentally for groups with multiple users on one machine because it certainly was not designed for the elegant simplcity of single users I have enjoyed all these years.
So coming from someone very close it sounds to your situation, read a ton, get some books, study and perhaps together we can come out the other side. And already the boards are full of people having problems making one tenth upgrade to 10.3.5.
I have loved my macs for 18+ years and will continue to, but these glowing reports are absolutely misleading at best. its tough real tough....... hopefully you won't ahve all the problems and crashes but you will have the new learning and god help you figure out what to do with your fonts...... I mean its so simple jus decide which of 3 or 4 places you want to put them and hope you don't err and cause all kinds of problems even if they do work.
Good luck.... you will hate it. Just made the same big leap a month ago and am still suffering. I know I must learn it and perhaps will come to like it, at least many tell me that. but thus far it has been nothing but major learning curve-- pay close attention to what someone said above about that and this X thing being unlike any Mac you've ever enjoyed and I have enjoyed every minute of mac of over 18 years until this month. And the learning curve is not only for the OS but for every peice of software you have been using.
And pray you are one of the lucky ones who has few problems and not one of the rest of us that have daily crashes, freezes, unexpected quits etc etc etc. I have nothing but respect for those who have found this thing so wonderful and stable, but a quick look at these forums as well as the Apple forums will point to pages and pages and pages of people having trouble with one aspect or another.
and be prepared to do some strange tings and get strange advice about entering wierd looking codes that mean nthing into something called Terminal which near as I can figure out is somewhat akin to the old ResEdit we were told to avoid.
And a major piece of advice is be sure be very sure what you want to name your computer and your SHORT USER NAME correctly because if you err, it can only be changed under penalty of potential death. I had no idea that you had to have permission to use your own stuff until i got into this. Now I have names that don't make sense and confuse us. This OS is evidentally for groups with multiple users on one machine because it certainly was not designed for the elegant simplcity of single users I have enjoyed all these years.
So coming from someone very close it sounds to your situation, read a ton, get some books, study and perhaps together we can come out the other side. And already the boards are full of people having problems making one tenth upgrade to 10.3.5.
I have loved my macs for 18+ years and will continue to, but these glowing reports are absolutely misleading at best. its tough real tough....... hopefully you won't ahve all the problems and crashes but you will have the new learning and god help you figure out what to do with your fonts...... I mean its so simple jus decide which of 3 or 4 places you want to put them and hope you don't err and cause all kinds of problems even if they do work.
Seriously, you are COMPLETELY mistaken.
"And pray you are one of the lucky ones who has few problems and not one of the rest of us that have daily crashes, freezes, unexpected quits etc etc etc."
Nope. You claim the rare user has no problems, but actually, it's the rare user that HAS problems.
The vast majority of OS X users have very few problems. OS X has a reputation for stability; it hardly crashes, unless you have HARDWARE troubles.
I only had crashes and freezes once, when my wireless card popped out of place. My friend hasn't had a crash in over a year. In fact, I don't know any people that have constant mac problems and haven't gotten it fixed.
In fact, at school the OS 9 computers crash DAILY. I have never had a crash on my Mac other than dropping it and knocking the wireless card out of place.
