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#1 User is offline   csherrera Icon

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 05:23 PM

Great - where I used to visit MacCentral which was quick and small and easy to scan, now I get this horrible MacCentral/MacWorld which is all graphical and broken into sections (which I don't need) and not easy to scan at all). Guess I'll have to get my Mac news from MacNN or another site now. Too bad.
(Of course, when you try to leave a comment after the editorial announcing the changes, the link is broken.)
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 05:49 PM

I agree completely. MacNN or Mac Bytes it is. I've been reading Maccentral for many years every day but if you make it too much work for me to read I certainly will avail myself of better presented news sites. It's a shame that Maccentral got hijacked by editorial for the purposes of pimping the magazine. I couldn't care less what is done to the MacWorld site but it is most unfortunate that Maccentral gets ruined in the process.
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#3 User is offline   Jason Snell Icon

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 05:58 PM

We will be flexible in making changes to the site -- including MacCentral -- in the next few weeks and months. Specific feedback is welcome. ("I want it back the way it was" is not really helpful.)
MacCentral has been a part of Macworld for years and it's time for us to stop pretending the two sites are separate. In fact, one might say that MacCentral is the most important part of Macworld.com. Note I said Macworld.com, not Macworld magazine -- they're different things.
New designs are different and they take time to sink in. I had someone complain to me today about the sidebar column cluttering things -- but of course MacCentral has always had a cluttery sidebar. At least for years now.
I hope that most MacCentral readers will accept our apologies for the occasional hiccup, give us good feedback about what they want from the site, and stick around for the same high-quality Mac news they've been getting from MacCentral for years. But if you choose to leave, goodbye and best wishes!

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:18 PM

Well I'll take you at your word and give you the two things I personally would want. FIrst I'd like some page where the stories of the day are presented as a list of story titles only with a link to the story. I don't care what colors or trade dress is used. I just want to be able to scan the days headlines and then read in detail the stories I am interested in. If the Editor weblogs and Breen's weblogs could be included in the list when updated great. Those are great and I enjoyed their addition to Maccentral. I'm not sure what the benefit of requiring extra clicks to access those extras is.
Additionally I would like the menus to display properly in my browser which is Firefox on Jaguar. Heres a screen shot to show the menus wrapping and overlapping headline text. http://homepage.mac....ccentralweb.jpg
Thanks.
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#5 User is offline   Grant_G Icon

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:35 PM

Jason -- Okay, some positive (at least non negative) feedback. The links at the top of the page, but below "Macworld": Spread them across the page, not down the page. At my browser setting, there is room for all six of them, and I wouldn't have to "reach" for this typing box I'm in now if they were done that way.
If I'm way off-base here due to having Pith Helmet active, let me know and I'll issue an apology. I certainly realize the value of advertising and definitely don't want you guys to go away because some of us started using Pith Helmet as a direct result of your last change to the site. You know, the one that narrowed the post field so much, and that's still there because now it has a heading ("Ad Showcase") that doesn't succumb to Pith Helmet, rendering it a little less useful.
I read the magazine ... I use the website. My wallet tells me that I definitely respond to your advertisers even if I don't see them on the site any longer. I'm with you. Please don't make the site too difficult to use.
Grant
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#6 User is offline   Jason Snell Icon

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:37 PM

Isn't the www.macworld.com/news page essentially what you ask for? It lists all the day's headlines as titles only, with links to the stories.
I do think it would be useful if we listed the previous day's stories as well -- the home page seems a bit scant right now.
I've sent your link to your screenshot to our tech folks to investigate.

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:39 PM

Grant,
I'm not sure what you're asking for. Send me an email at jason_snell at macworld dot com and include a screen shot if you can.

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:40 PM

I was very disappointed to see the MacCentral main page gone. One of the reasons I came back everyday was because it was a list of simple links. Now it looks like Adobe Indesign threw up all over it. Too busy. It looks like that main page you see before a feature article in a magazine. The color scheme is all wrong, with the large grey news items. They don't even look like links.
MacSurfer is one of the few sites left that gets it. Simple links to news stories. - oh,yeah, and now I'm back to being a stranger! Had to sign up again, after all these years. I was there on day two of MacCentral. Sorry, that there are no positives. It does load quickly......I'll give you that.
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#9 User is offline   Grant_G Icon

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:49 PM

On the way, but if I get a mailer daemon it's because I left out the _ . If so, I'll resend.
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:51 PM

Jason, just to let you know, the same thing happens to me. I'm not entirely sure, but it might have to do with the forum scheme chosen.

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:55 PM

I got the M-D, so it is on its way once again. Sorry for the delay.
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:58 PM

My hunch was right. Because forum members may have chosen something other than the default, we may have a theme not in the official list now (I think I was using Big Blue or something like that). I've switched to one of the two options now in the list and it looks fine (but I have no way to get back).
Will you be adding more options? Maybe I'll take this opportunity to really play with CSS and come up with a custom scheme for the forums.

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 06:59 PM

I am going to leave this discussion now ... until tomorrow. It's 8 p.m. in the Pahrump Valley, and time for the Olympic Games to once again commence on commercial television. I love my daily fix at Macworld above all else, but the Olympics comes but once every four years. See ya tomorrow,
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 07:18 PM

I do like the new masthead, but it seems like Home, News, etc. should be up there too. It took me a while to realize where those links were... I guess maybe the placement and color were confusing me... I don't know.
MacCentral does seem more cluttered now and I too think it's not as quick and easy as before. I could live with it though if two changes were made:
1. Use Bold again on the really important headlines. On days I had little time or energy I'd often just quickly look for those and ignore the rest. (I assume this has been lost, as I think the HP iPod article was bolded earlier in the day.)
2. Return the comments tree (or whatever you call it) below the article. That was one of my most favorite features of MacCentral, being able to quickly see by subject lines (and number of replies) what readers were thinking--and if they were interested in the story at all.
Good luck,
Tim
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