[maflynn]

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Hi, Did you read my post?
The headless Mac must be CHEAP. The expensive is the monitor.

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Yup I read it, I should have been a little more precise in my wording. I agree that the a reason why the cube failed was price. It was not the only reason mind you, the lack of perceived expansion and bad press didn't do it any favors. To be fair, I owned one.

But it doesn't sound like you read mine. My main point is that people, consumers that is, average users don't want to replace there computer every year. Regardless of price, to support my thesis, I presented the success of the iMac and I omitted the eMac but same thing there. The G4 iMac was more expansive then the old G3 iMac yet it sell very well. People want simple solutions to there needs. They also don't want to continually reload and reconfigure the software onto new machines.
Back to the thread topic and I really do like the design of the iMac. perhaps to compete with some PCs they could have added more multimedia capabilities. Not sure what type of speakers are included. My desk and a lot of people's desk are very crowded this design definitely has a small foot print.
The success or failure of this design will not be here in the various forums but at apple.com, compusa, macmall.com. There people will be voting with there pocketbooks. If the design, or exlusion of features turns people off they will not buy it.

Mike

[Dave_K]

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G5s are clearly more expensive than Athlons. G4s cost more than Pentiums. Consider PowerLogix, who sells a G4/1.4ghz upgrade card for $439.

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I wouldn't base G5 Pricing to Apple on this. At 66mm sq a PPC970FX G5 is roughly half of the size of a the 110mm sq P4 Prescott, the 128mm sq Athlon, the 144mm sq AMD64, or the 106mm sq G4, so on the same size wafer you're potentially getting roughly 2 of them for every 1 one of the other. Add in the fact that in comparison to a G4, a G5 doesn't require a custom daughter card or the addition of a few megs of high cost high speed DRAM for cache just to compensate for the G4 system bus and you begin to see how pricing is potentially lower yet again. Afterall, compared to what Powerlogix is charging, the actual MSRP price of a vanilla G4 1.4 Ghz 7 months ago was only $245 US
Comparitively, the primary factor that would drive the price to Apple on the G5 up are it's low yields at the moment.

[rockinphotog]

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Did you read my post?
The headless Mac must be CHEAP. The expensive is the monitor.

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And then you compare it to that lame media pc or whatever it's called which doesn't even have DVI! Where are you going to plug in that expensive monitor?

[rockinphotog]

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I also do not like how the ports are arranged. They should be on the right side, Not on the back.

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With the ports on the back, you can thread your cables through the stand for zero desk clutter and a very clean look. the ports on the side would have been ridiculously bad design.

[rockinphotog]

Has anyone seen Apple's closing stock price today? Whoo hoo, thanks, iMac! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dvh]

Apple is now showing their VESA mount in the accessories section...
Photo here.
Looks suspiciously like the Neo-Flex arm.
If you are set up on a wireless network and use the bluetooth keyboard and mouse the only cable you have to connect is the power. I admit it would get messy with USB, Firewire cables, etc. Apple's stand with the hole to direct the cables is cleaner.
Food for thought... We don't know Apple's design process and what constraints they had. We know heat was a huge issue. The G5 I'm sure is extremely well thought out to meet the cost, power, & heat budgets with a growth path for the 2 & 2.5 GHz processors as their costs go down. I'll bet the graphics chip selection was limited by these criteria as well.

[gfox]

Oh i can just feel those powerbook questions "a commin" /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[AlienBogeyAgain]

Aesthetics opinion: What a disappointment. My wife and I had wondered how Steve/Apple were going to hit another design grand slam like the iLamp with it's translucent/floating flat panel display and tried to temper our high expectactions but......what a disappointment. It's nice enough, I suppose, and I haven't seen it in person but, what a disappointment. Here is my wife's verbatim reaction when I told her I had a picture of the new iMac G5 on the screen:
"Really, it's out?!?"
(pitter patter of little feet as she RUNS to see)
"oh"
(pause.....pause.....pause....)
"It's just a fat laptop on a stick."
There you have it.
Aesthetics aside, my big features disappointment is that it doesn't include wireless keyboard and mouse STANDARD. I mean, the design looks good from a minimalist standpoint and Apple points out that if you ADD (emphasis mine) Bluetooth and an Apple wireless mouse and keyboard you'll have only one cord (power) running from it, but, really, wireless keyboard mouse have been available 3rd party for quite a while, Mac is about breaking new ground so make them STANDARD to take advantage of the design and make for a braggable feature. I'm sure (almost) everything sold new today can have wireless ADDED so being able trash your stock keyboard/mouse to buy wireless is no big deal at all.
The original iMac was a home run, the iLamp a grand slam, the G5 iMac looks to me like a single, maybe a double.

[Nobody]

Hi,
VGA input missing -- TROJAN HORSE FOR WINTEL!
If the iMac G5 had a simple VGA input socket it could be connected as a monitor to a PC-Windows machine. And this be a Trojan horse of Mac OS X for Wintel users! Or a convenient purchase for people who want or need to boot from Mac OS X (iMac G5) and from a mini-PC-Windows box (using the iMac G5 TFT display).
Apple could enhance both sales and market share of the iMac G5 that way! Hopefully for the next revision...

[r0b]

This new iMac is the bomb! So far, I love it. I really like the new design because unlike the G4 iMac or the fruit-colored iMacs, this one looks like a slick tool rather than a fun toy. I don't think a funky design is appropriate anymore, because A) The OS is the real eye candy and B) the design of the tool shouldn't distract one from the work the tool accomplishes. Quite frankly, I think Apple's move towards a cleaner, minimal design is necessary in order to appeal to a larger audience. The iPod has done well in wooing PC users, perhaps this new iMac with a similar style will do the same. (?)
The technical config on this baby looks great too, powerful but affordable. Maybe a better video card would have been nice, but 64MB should be enough. I mean it is enough for my powerbook and the G4 DP Powermac I use at work. I think that people who really need more power than what the iMac offers, shouldn't really consider the iMac anyway. That's what the G5 Powermac is for. I think this new iMac should be powerful enough for doing what it was intended: running the iLife suite and other consumer-level apps.
A Bluetooth keyboard and mouse would have been nice, but I would have replaced the mouse anyway with a more functional 5 button mouse. I think many people would rather save a few dollars and stick with a conventional mouse and keyboard rather than have Bluetooth forced on them. The lack of Wifi is disappointing, but hey an AE card is cheap.
All in all, the new iMac seems to me like a good machine with a good price and a respectable appearance. This is just the beginning of the G5 iMac. Who knows what the revisions will bring....

[Christian_Jack]

cables sticking out the side, yuk. And anyway it is designed to take advantage of Apple's Airport, and Bluetooth.
Most people will only need a KB, Mouse, Printer and scanner connected all the time.
Apple sell solutions, not boxes. the time for a headless Mac is not right. Apple does not have the market for it.
Pros want the PowerMac
Consumers want the eMac/iMac
Education wanted the eMac, and Apple designed the eMac with help from schools.
and by the way more and more people are switching to laptops.
As for the remark that Mac users will switch to Wintels just because you cant buy a headless iMac. Don't think many people on here would agree with you on that one.

[rockinphotog]

I think you replied to the wrong guy about this one... those aren't my comments.

[tmccarthy]

I am hitting the Apple store tomorrow so I may change my mind...but so far the G5 looks to be no revolution. It's a laptop on a stick, turned inside out. And 256? Are they kidding? Sony, IBM, and Gateway have already introduced "small footprint" products and none have been hits. The concept, while intriguing, just doesn't seem to address any pressing user requirements. Too bad. Bang for the buck is impressive, but not blow-away compared to PC's. And, still nothing comes close to the usability, outright friendliness, and productivity of the the current Imac swiveling monitor which is fun to simply touch. Like the Ipod.
The Ipod is take-no-prisoners breath-taking. The G5 doesn't do it justice.
Sorry, but it's a stumble for Apple.

[Grant_G]

I have a nearly lifelong friend who recently bought his first Apple computer, a 17" iMac G4/1G/1G. He has been delighted with it, other than some early missteps that have been taken care of. He called me yesterday to tell me that he's in love. With the new G5 iMac! He said it's the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. I thought it interesting, coming from such a recent convert (and in view of some of the very negative comments in this thread).
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