I was looking at the Zen Portable Media Center and noticed this. Heh.
http://www.slixpc.com
Phil Schiller, analysts discuss the iMac G5
#30
Posted 02 September 2004 - 09:20 PM
http://www.macworld....ns/confused.gif
confused
A major point seems to be being missed here. The original story is about how "analysts are nearly unanimous in their support" but the rest -- not one but most of the rest -- of the links on Mac Central's own news page are from all the publications complaining about and dissing the machine.
And I have to agree. I don't mind Apple charging a premium -- but I expect a premium machine for that price, not just a pretty box that lacks the resources to exploit its advanced processor and OS.
To but to put in a single video card option that was obsolete when I bought my last PC almost two years ago, and to give so little Ram in the base price just doesn't cut it for me, and I don't think will wow the marketplace the way Apple could.
Granted they have to maintain higher gross margins for their boutique volume, but control these with "fair trade pricing" that doesn't allow discounting. So maybe they're paying too high a price to their uber-trendy R&D types?? Or something. But while I'm not sure of the question I'm asking Apple, I do know that the new iMac isn't an answer for me.
So while I continue to dislike my PC, I continue to find Apple an attractive day late and dollar too dear.
confused
A major point seems to be being missed here. The original story is about how "analysts are nearly unanimous in their support" but the rest -- not one but most of the rest -- of the links on Mac Central's own news page are from all the publications complaining about and dissing the machine.
And I have to agree. I don't mind Apple charging a premium -- but I expect a premium machine for that price, not just a pretty box that lacks the resources to exploit its advanced processor and OS.
To but to put in a single video card option that was obsolete when I bought my last PC almost two years ago, and to give so little Ram in the base price just doesn't cut it for me, and I don't think will wow the marketplace the way Apple could.
Granted they have to maintain higher gross margins for their boutique volume, but control these with "fair trade pricing" that doesn't allow discounting. So maybe they're paying too high a price to their uber-trendy R&D types?? Or something. But while I'm not sure of the question I'm asking Apple, I do know that the new iMac isn't an answer for me.
So while I continue to dislike my PC, I continue to find Apple an attractive day late and dollar too dear.
#32
Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:11 AM
For those that are grumbling about the things that the iMac doesn't have:
Get a clue!
As I said in my previous post...if the iMac doesn't do what you want it to do...purchase a PowerMac that is cutomizable and upgradeable.
For those of you that don't undertstand how the marketplace works, here's bit of a primer:
Apple will sell boatloads of the new iMac with these features, RAM and prices. Those who order them now will wait weeks for theirs. Apple will make a ton of money from this first G5 iMac.
When sales start to level off or drop, Apple (and other resellers) will sweeten the deal with free double RAM, free printers, free AirPort card, etc. The number of iMacs sold will increase for a while. This market is for those who want a new iMac but didn't have to be the first to own one. The deal is now "good enough" for them.
When the sales start to level off or go down again, Apple will release a new version of the G5 iMac with more RAM, faster processor, new video card, etc. Another group of customers will decide that this is the iMac that they have been waiting for and Apple will sell boatloads of this version of the G5 iMac.
Just look at the evolution of the CRT iMac, the flat panel iMac and the iPod.
Apple didn't start by selling an 40gig iPod with click wheel and 12 hour battery, did it? They made a lot of money by selling 5gig, 10gig and 20gig iPods before they even got to the 40gig iPod. Should they have just started with that iPod and given up all the revenue from the sales of the previous generations? I don't think so!
When the iMac line has matured into something you want to purchase, then get your wallet out. This first version is not the final version!
Oh, and for those that don't like the iPod mini and AirPort Express, please hold your comments until the iPod mini II and AirPort Express II. Do something constructive and direct your suggestions to feedback@apple.com. They would love to hear from you.
Get a clue!
As I said in my previous post...if the iMac doesn't do what you want it to do...purchase a PowerMac that is cutomizable and upgradeable.
For those of you that don't undertstand how the marketplace works, here's bit of a primer:
Apple will sell boatloads of the new iMac with these features, RAM and prices. Those who order them now will wait weeks for theirs. Apple will make a ton of money from this first G5 iMac.
When sales start to level off or drop, Apple (and other resellers) will sweeten the deal with free double RAM, free printers, free AirPort card, etc. The number of iMacs sold will increase for a while. This market is for those who want a new iMac but didn't have to be the first to own one. The deal is now "good enough" for them.
When the sales start to level off or go down again, Apple will release a new version of the G5 iMac with more RAM, faster processor, new video card, etc. Another group of customers will decide that this is the iMac that they have been waiting for and Apple will sell boatloads of this version of the G5 iMac.
Just look at the evolution of the CRT iMac, the flat panel iMac and the iPod.
Apple didn't start by selling an 40gig iPod with click wheel and 12 hour battery, did it? They made a lot of money by selling 5gig, 10gig and 20gig iPods before they even got to the 40gig iPod. Should they have just started with that iPod and given up all the revenue from the sales of the previous generations? I don't think so!
When the iMac line has matured into something you want to purchase, then get your wallet out. This first version is not the final version!
Oh, and for those that don't like the iPod mini and AirPort Express, please hold your comments until the iPod mini II and AirPort Express II. Do something constructive and direct your suggestions to feedback@apple.com. They would love to hear from you.
#33
Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:23 AM
These are needed:
1 - FireWire 800 in ALL Mac line.
2 - VGA video in for the iMac G5. Use it as monitor with Windows-PC boxes and thus among Windoze people. Some people must use Macs and PCs. Thus instead of purchasing a monitor for the PC they could just use the iMac itself.
3 - New headless PowerMac like
http://apple.weblogs...28136479381114/
and
http://www.mackompas...&id=52&Itemid=2
with no fans (or at least as quiet as possible) to connect it to the gorgeous Apple Cinema Displays. In short, bring back the Cube, but now as a cheaper box to make it a hit (change it when you want) with an expensive monitor (keep it longer), small footprint and quiet as said.
1 - FireWire 800 in ALL Mac line.
2 - VGA video in for the iMac G5. Use it as monitor with Windows-PC boxes and thus among Windoze people. Some people must use Macs and PCs. Thus instead of purchasing a monitor for the PC they could just use the iMac itself.
3 - New headless PowerMac like
http://apple.weblogs...28136479381114/
and
http://www.mackompas...&id=52&Itemid=2
with no fans (or at least as quiet as possible) to connect it to the gorgeous Apple Cinema Displays. In short, bring back the Cube, but now as a cheaper box to make it a hit (change it when you want) with an expensive monitor (keep it longer), small footprint and quiet as said.
#34
Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:05 AM
The new G5 iMac reminded me of something ELSE missing in the Apple computer lineup.
I paid about $1250 for my 20" apple flat screen LCD monitor. So, if you look at it that way... They are only asking $650 for a G5 computer because the 20" version sells for $1900.
I think the NEXT thing they offer should be a single processor G5 for people who don't want a big DP-G5 and already own a LCD monitor. Maybe bring something like the cube back in a single processor G5 version and sell it for $699.99.
I like the new iMac, but I don't want to go through the hassle and take a loss selling my Apple LCD monitor and I don't have a need for a dual screen computer.
-Tom
I paid about $1250 for my 20" apple flat screen LCD monitor. So, if you look at it that way... They are only asking $650 for a G5 computer because the 20" version sells for $1900.
I think the NEXT thing they offer should be a single processor G5 for people who don't want a big DP-G5 and already own a LCD monitor. Maybe bring something like the cube back in a single processor G5 version and sell it for $699.99.
I like the new iMac, but I don't want to go through the hassle and take a loss selling my Apple LCD monitor and I don't have a need for a dual screen computer.
-Tom
#35
Posted 03 September 2004 - 09:37 PM
don't get carried away.. ONE laptop manufacturer uses those, and it's proprietary, not industry standard. It's developed WITH alienware, just like their sli motherboard solution.. and they JUST shipped their first upgrade module.. and it wasn't cheap, and a faster video card does not make a machine faster.



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