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I was given a un-opened processor upgrade for a small non-profit that I do a little computer work for. It's a sonnet upgrade card G4 (500MHZ or 800mhz I think) I can't seem to get it working. The B&W has a mismash of found ram and whatever ram it came with when it was donated.. it already has 10.3.6 loaded on it and I set it up as a dual monitor station. I downloaded the Sonnet cache program and loaded it. The other programs seem to need OS9 and I tried the main one but it didn't want to run in the classic window?? Any ideas? Open classic window first.. check ram.. firmware? I get the bong noise! and a blank screen!
Mark
B&W G3 toG4 OS10.3.6
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 08:13 AM
Before you play with or try to get the G4 working.
Remove any RAM that is 64MB. It can only be 10 ns.
Get the system running.
How did you install Sonnet cache?
(isn't needed unless it is a G4/800, in which case you have other problems).
G4/500 doesn't need anything.
Classic - you need to select the system folder 9.2 in startup disk pref in OS X, then go to Classic pref panel, after which you can go back and set the system to only boot from 10.3.6.
I assume it came with disks for OS X and 9.2.1 or you'll need to buy a copy (OS 9 can be bought w/ Panther for $20 afterwards).
Remove any RAM that is 64MB. It can only be 10 ns.
Get the system running.
How did you install Sonnet cache?
(isn't needed unless it is a G4/800, in which case you have other problems).
G4/500 doesn't need anything.
Classic - you need to select the system folder 9.2 in startup disk pref in OS X, then go to Classic pref panel, after which you can go back and set the system to only boot from 10.3.6.
I assume it came with disks for OS X and 9.2.1 or you'll need to buy a copy (OS 9 can be bought w/ Panther for $20 afterwards).
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 09:08 AM
I'll give that a try.. I know there's some 64 ram there that I collected from an iMAc. I have a copy of Panther that I installed and OS 9 but from your comments it looks like I should just change the boot to the OS9 classic folder? Is this to download an install the Sonnet programs? I installed the sonnet cache using in OSX I believe??? Not sure now but believe I downloaded the package and opened it in OSX.. than a auto install????
Mark
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 03:47 AM
Before ANY G4 upgrade will work in a B&W, you will first have to patch the firmware to remove the ROM block that Apple put in to prevent the upgrade, and it only runs in OS 9 (NOT OS X CLASSIC MODE). IIRC, OWC has the download on thier site, in the tech support pages......
Once the patch is applied & the machine restarted in OS 9, then you can install the upgrade card, and if needed, the cache s/w you mentioned. Save yourself lots of headaches and DO NOT ATTEMPT THESE PROCEDURES IN OS X CLASSIC MODE, boot into a REAL OS 9 configuration.......
been there, done that, and dont wanna again /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Once the patch is applied & the machine restarted in OS 9, then you can install the upgrade card, and if needed, the cache s/w you mentioned. Save yourself lots of headaches and DO NOT ATTEMPT THESE PROCEDURES IN OS X CLASSIC MODE, boot into a REAL OS 9 configuration.......
been there, done that, and dont wanna again /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 04:39 AM
He doesn't know if he has the Sonnet G4/800, which changes things. There is an Apple firmware update to allow OS 9 which should have been applied already.
(I wish that the term "Classic" would only be used for OS X.) "Booting" Classic /sounds like/ native OS 9.2.
(I wish that the term "Classic" would only be used for OS X.) "Booting" Classic /sounds like/ native OS 9.2.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 07:54 AM
Folks:
I'm going back weds. morning to try the upgrade I'm pretty sure it's a 500mhz card but not positive.. from the post(s) it's looks like I'll have to get the firmware patch from OWC, set-up the G3 to boot in OS 9, reboot in OS9 install the patch, remove all 64 MB ram, mount the card, reboot in OS9 than change start-up back to OS X than reboot into OS X ..WOW that really makes a simple upgarde an epic!!
thanks for the advice .. did I miss anything. After the patch and OS X can I re-install the 64MBs??
Mark
I'm going back weds. morning to try the upgrade I'm pretty sure it's a 500mhz card but not positive.. from the post(s) it's looks like I'll have to get the firmware patch from OWC, set-up the G3 to boot in OS 9, reboot in OS9 install the patch, remove all 64 MB ram, mount the card, reboot in OS9 than change start-up back to OS X than reboot into OS X ..WOW that really makes a simple upgarde an epic!!
thanks for the advice .. did I miss anything. After the patch and OS X can I re-install the 64MBs??
Mark
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 08:08 AM
"NO" on that 10 ns 64MB SDRAM! even worse with OS X 10.3.x and/or a G4!
Get yourself some quality 256MB (Crucial, Samsung) instead. And either stay with PC100 8 ns or PC133 7.5 ns.
You never saw so many kp's as 10 ns RAM can cause.
Get yourself some quality 256MB (Crucial, Samsung) instead. And either stay with PC100 8 ns or PC133 7.5 ns.
You never saw so many kp's as 10 ns RAM can cause.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 11:18 AM
Thanks for the help!!!!.. How do I re-boot into OS X after I set the start-up disk to OS9, I'll be in OS9..do I have to reinstall all the software again.. OS X and programs? Never had to do that before.. go back to OSX from OS9 on the same machine/disk?
Note:I have used salvaged 64's to fill in empty slots in 2 of the G4's that are set-up there!
Mark
Note:I have used salvaged 64's to fill in empty slots in 2 of the G4's that are set-up there!
Mark
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 11:26 AM
Startup Disk control panel v. 9.2.5+
There may be a newer version in the Utilities folder on 10.3 CD.
May I suggest "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" which even Apple recommends, as well as "Mac OS X Power Hound" to get more in depth.
There may be a newer version in the Utilities folder on 10.3 CD.
May I suggest "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" which even Apple recommends, as well as "Mac OS X Power Hound" to get more in depth.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 11:51 AM
Thanks Hatter!!!
Wasn't sure if the OS9 changes in start-up drive/folder would be recognized by OS X or that I could "see" the OS X start-up in OS 9.
This is a small poor enviromental non-profit with mostly "salvaged/donated" older Mac's and we're moving them to OS X.. SLOWLY! of course. The B&W G3 is the end results of serveral B&W's donated ..making them into 1 useful machine.
I'll let folks know how it goes.
Been postponing getting the Missing Manual guess it's time to shop!
Mark
Wasn't sure if the OS9 changes in start-up drive/folder would be recognized by OS X or that I could "see" the OS X start-up in OS 9.
This is a small poor enviromental non-profit with mostly "salvaged/donated" older Mac's and we're moving them to OS X.. SLOWLY! of course. The B&W G3 is the end results of serveral B&W's donated ..making them into 1 useful machine.
I'll let folks know how it goes.
Been postponing getting the Missing Manual guess it's time to shop!
Mark
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 01:13 PM
there is also a lot online I think from Apple (as well as numerous sites) to help get immersed in OS X.
http://www.apple.com...sx/newfeatures/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/
http://www.apple.com...ions/howto.html
http://www.apple.com/macosx/resources/ (books etc)
http://www.apple.com...sx/newfeatures/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/
http://www.apple.com...ions/howto.html
http://www.apple.com/macosx/resources/ (books etc)
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 05:12 PM
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He doesn't know if he has the Sonnet G4/800, which changes things.
Makes no difference either way, you have to patch the firmware in order to run ANY G4 upgrade in a B&W....regardless of brand or speed, unless it has already been done.He doesn't know if he has the Sonnet G4/800, which changes things.
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There is an Apple firmware update to allow OS 9 which should have been applied already.
There is an Apple firmware update to allow OS 9 which should have been applied already.
HUH ???? since when did the B&W need a firmware update to run OS 9. I installed OS 9 on my B&W as soon as it was out, and did NOT update the firmware /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
AFAIK, the term "classic" refers ONLY to the compatibility environment of OS X, and booting it is just that.
Booting into a "native" or "real" OS 9 system folder should mean ONLY that and nothing else /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 04:39 PM
Nope, I have a rev 2 machine, as verified by the presence of all the newer components shown
ON THIS PAGE
AND the sucessfull running of 2 HD's w/o corruption from the onboard IDE controller /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I did NOT update the firmware when I installed OS 9, perhaps because it was a retail disk, or perhaps the update was contained within the installation tome ?
ON THIS PAGE
AND the sucessfull running of 2 HD's w/o corruption from the onboard IDE controller /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I did NOT update the firmware when I installed OS 9, perhaps because it was a retail disk, or perhaps the update was contained within the installation tome ?
