[Nobody]

The analysts may have their heads firmly up their arses, but now that Apple has found a second career in lifestyle electronics, I don't think it is a hard ask for it to apply it's design skills where needed to fix gaping holes in the usability of most modern gadgets.
I can think of a few painful ommissions that shouldn't take any competent designer with the right backing long to plug. No 1 would be a large HiFi equivalent to the iPod. We don't all want to listen through headphones, but current large units are notable for their uninformative track listings and clumsy operation.

[Rugby]

dont listen to him. You should know a stupid post like that is a flame from a troll.
Since I started to use Macs (1992) we have been "doomed". Yawn,,,

[Nobody]

In your case "clueless" does apply. Where did I say "we'll all start to carry around camcorders with us because such a device is also capable of playing back sound and video?" How low was the score on your SAT's?
The OBVIOUS (except for you, apparently) implication is that those that already excel in the design of small DVcamcorders, could and would produce mini "players" that would drown in features, any unproven ill-experienced exercise in design by Apple (well actually, whom ever Apple goes to over-seas to make it, since Apple makes nothing of their own these days). Oh, Apple makes pretty "design" pictures, but all the engineering is in Taiwan, Korea, or China now.
Funny, but the RIAA is behind WMA, gee how dat happen???
Got a "Clue" now? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Steve_S]

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The OBVIOUS (except for you, apparently) implication is that those that already excel in the design of small DVcamcorders, could and would produce mini "players" that would drown in features, any unproven ill-experienced exercise in design by Apple (well actually, whom ever Apple goes to over-seas to make it, since Apple makes nothing of their own these days).

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Yawn At some point, I have to ask myself why I bother to entertain the rantings of an ill-logical mind as your own. Throughout this entire thread, you've produced quite a number of baseless claims that have gone unanswered once challenged. Here again, you seem to think that companies with Camcorder experience inherently have the ability to produce something that will blow away the iPod. So, by Apple's admission at one point, they were able to come to market with the first iPod in a matter of months. The iPod was an instant success that continues to snowball, etc. The competitors have now had several years to copy and even try to improve upon the iPod. Where is this mythical iPod killer? I really can't believe you're so dense that you don't understand the basics behind the iPod's success. First, the iPod is an excellent product. Nobody else seems to be able to match the elegance of the simplistic interface in the 4th generation models with the click wheel, etc. That makes the product inviting and easy to use. Yes, there are competitors that trump a feature here and there like longer battery life, built in microphone, etc. However, there are iPod add-ons that address those issues for the few that need it. Second, nobody else can match the iPod experience because nobody else controls the hardware, the software and the music store. Every other competitor uses a hodge podge mix and match configuration that is functional, but hardly as well integrated. So, for someone to really knock off the iPod, they can't just beat the iPod on one feature, they need to beat it almost across the board. Nobody is even close to doing that, so go back to your little fantasy land and continue to think otherwise if you wish. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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Oh, Apple makes pretty "design" pictures, but all the engineering is in Taiwan, Korea, or China now.

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You might want to take a look at a dictionary and try to discern the difference between "engineering" and "manufacturing". Really, it will help you look like less of a dope in future posts.
Even still, what's the difference where it's engineered? Most large companies are global these days anyway. Half of the team I manage is overseas. We work together as one virtual team, why would it matter where someone sits (other then the amount they get paid)? As long as they have the skill sets and are able to communicate effectively, why would I care? The bottom line is the quality of the product that is produced. Likewise, your comment is irrelevant.

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Funny, but the RIAA is behind WMA, gee how dat happen???

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It seems to me that the RIAA is behind any DRM capable scheme. The fact that more companies license WMA has more to do with Microsoft allowing the licensing of WMA and Apple not allowing the licensing of Fairplay. To me, a measure of RIAA backing might be in the number of songs available. It seems Apple's fairplay does quite well here. Finally, the significant majority of songs sold seems to be in Apple's format. Likewise, the RIAA is receiving more money from Apple. So, when you say that the RIAA is behind WMA, do you mean "behind WMA also" (it which case, the appropriate response would be "duh" or perhaps "and... what's your point?". Or, are you making yet another baseless claim that the RIAA is behind WMA instead of Fairplay?
Steve