[macintoshappy]

Running 10.3.7 on a g4 400mhz tower. My font book is all messed up. First start-up takes about five minutes. Secondly my font book takes about two or three minutes to start up. Third the fonts activated in the font book do not corespond with the fonts activated in the aplications. My question is I guess how do I reset the font book. I suppose I want to do this manualy. Where do I look, in what order should I do it and what are the fonts the system needs to start-up
Thank you

[Grant_G]

I've never had to reset Font Book, but I can answer one or two questions and make a suggestion. That suggestion is: Did you repair permissions following the update? Failing to do so sometimes results in all manner of weirdness in the System. It might also improve startup time ... iffy on that.
Next, the only fonts the System actually requires are all contained in the System > Library > Fonts folder. The fonts in either Mac HD > Library > Fonts or Users > you > Library > Fonts are optional (the former being available to anyone using this Mac, those in Users being available just to you).
G

[berg]

Hello Macintoshappy ..
Here is some
Font Info ...
1) Let's start by listing the fonts you must have. They are located in the System>Library>Fonts folder:
Courier.dfont
Geneva.dfont
Helvetica.dfont
Keyboard.dfont
LastResort.dfont
LucidaGrande.dfont
Monaco.dfont
Some of the OS X supplied applications that will not launch if Helvetica is missing are mentioned in Apple Knowledge Base article 25486. Others require the presence of Courier. Terminal is one application that will launch, but not display correctly if Monaco is missing. I have found no reference that requires the presence of Geneva, but it's best to leave it as it has long been a standard font for the Macintosh OS.
For general system purposes and operation, the seven fonts listed above are the minimum fonts that should always be active on your Macintosh for OS X Panther and are the only ones you must not delete for any reason. Of these seven, Keyboard.dfont, LastResort.dfont and LucidaGrande.dfont are used mainly for menus and other system font display purposes and so are the most important to the OS itself.
2) There are a few fonts installed by OS X and Microsoft programs (Explorer and Office products) that should be left active since the Microsoft applications need these fonts. Also, many web sites use these fonts and will display better if they are available on your system. They are:
Arial
Arial Black
Tahoma
Trebuchet MS
Verdana
Webdings
None of these fonts should interfere with any prepress operation in the form of conflicting with a PostScript font of the same name, so can be safely left as is.
All other fonts in the System>Library>Fonts folder can be removed. You will need Administrative access to delete fonts from this folder. If you wish to save them for other purposes, create a new folder on your hard drive and copy them there first. If there are any removed fonts you want to use for a project at a later date, they can always be activated with Font Book, Suitcase X1, Font Reserve, Master Juggler or other font manager.
The above is an excerpt from ..
Font Management in Panther
http://discussions.i...Jcr.0@.68908e3c

Font Troubleshooting
http://homepage.mac....ms/panther.html
Default Fonts & Their Location in Panther
http://www.thexlab.c...faultfonts.html

[macintoshappy]

I went to my User/library/fonts and saw that I had 2,500 fonts in there. So I took them all out manualy and put them in a seperate folder. Upon Startup my computer was much snapier. A minute maybe. I did not want to touch the system/library/fonts folder even though there are 300 fonts in there. I would love to only leave the ones you mentioned but some of them are not even present.
I did a search for each font and only found In Library/Fonts/ Courier New, HelveticaNeue.dfont not exactly the same ones you mentioned. The rest of the fonts did not even show up in the search.

So I lanched word to double check. Courier, Geneva, Helvetica, lucida grande shows up in word. Monaco, keyboard and last resort do not, I'm confused.
Any ideas? Where can I find or buy the missing fonts?
Thank you.

[macnuke]

as you seem to be loaded up on fonts.
know that many applications install their own set of fonts adding to the size of you font book. and you noticed a speed up when you cut it down.
another thing to do
Font Book does NOT show duplicated fonts.
soo
launch Font Book. Select the first font then go to the Edit menu and select "Resolve Duplicates". Repeat these steps for each and every font..
on a one month old iMac, i found that almost half of my fonts were duplicated from installs of additional apps.. Office being notorious..
luck with it
m

[Grant_G]

Completely trash this one: HelveticaNeue.dfont. It is a known troublemaker. Also search for TimesRO (or Times RO with a space, I forget which). If it is present, get rid of it too. I am NOT referring to Times Roman or Times New Roman, which are fine.
G

[macintoshappy]

But helvetica Neu is the only helvetica on the system that is active. Should I still get rid of it?

[Grant_G]

The Helvetica in your System > Library > Fonts folder is the only one you need. In fact, if it isn't there it might be (part of) your trouble. Do a search for helvetica.dfont and make sure it resides in the above folder (System required fonts) -- move it there if necessary. Then make sure it is active in Font Book.
G

[Grant_G]

This quote is from Apple Discussions: Font Management in OS X Panther:
"The next two fonts also must be present in some form. They are located in the same folder as the first five listed above.
Courier.dfont
Helvetica.dfont
These two fonts don't need to be the .dfont versions installed by OS X. Any form of Courier or Helvetica will do, whether they are the supplied .dfont, PostScript or OpenType version. The reason for singling out these two required fonts are for prepress purposes. For the average user, there is no need to replace the supplied .dfont versions of Courier and Helvetica."
HelveticaNeue, as I said, is a known troublemaker. I've gotten rid of it as have others, along with TimesRO.
G