[KernelG]

I'm a California democrat, and I'm pro-environment, but these people sound like idiots.
They're not idiots? Well they sound like big dummies.
They're not big dummies? Their statements allude to it.
They didn't say that? Well they didn't didn't say that!
They click Hey! Look at that strawman over there!

[pdrayton]

A very whacky group, as evidenced by the numerous initial claims they weren't able stand-up for, and by the other claims they did stand-up for in a totally irrational and irresponsible way.
I imagine after speaking with the press they drove off in their SUV's that had vanity plates made by prisoners.

[Mississauga]

SVTC = desperation. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[altivec]

I am pro environment but this group is an embarrassment to all environmental groups. First off since their rebuttal did not go over every point, that leaves me to believe that most of their initial claims were false. (NOTE: Before attacking someone, know the facts)
Second, their rebuttal is full of holes. 1500 Apple tons to 5000 Hp tons. These numbers mean absolutely nothing. Did they do any actual analysis of how many tons go out in relation to how many tons comes back in. Apple could have a 30% return rate and HP could be at 2% for all we know. On top of this, it is the consumers responsibility to recycle. Apple can't force you to return your computer. As long as they have an affordable program in place, which they do, I can't find them guilty of this.
Then they say they have proof of forced labor by saying we know this guy who works there, and he has seen Apple machines go through. A BIG SO... If a consumer goes to a disreputable recycler that sends them there, why would this be Apple's fault. Apple can not control what people decide to do with their junk. Unless they have receipts stating that they came from Apple, they have proof of nothing.
Top that off by saying that people will just chuck $300+ items just because the battery dies is absurd. I know I was chucking away batteries like there was no tomorrow with my previous MP3 player, but hey the ipod is the one that is not environmentally friendly.
Smarten up people and stop giving environmentalists a bad name.

[Jarod]

If this is who we have to look after the environment, LOL!!
As it stands, the entire Environmental group should be dumped in the trash! Not even worth recycling! Get rid of them for good.
What a bunch of f*ing morons! What I want to know, WHO GIVES THESE IDIOTS A JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE????

[Schneb]

Now tell me, my Macs stay in circulation for 10 years, while PCs only last for about 3 years. There is 3 timest he waste with PCs as far as landfills. The key is to make products that last so long, they are continually bought and sold from person to person until they become collector's items.

[leicaman]

I care. Make them contribute to society. Why am I forced to live according to the law and contribute to soceity with my taxes, but they aren't required to contribute?
I'm quite liberal in my views of how prisoners are treated, but theyshould at least be required to do something to make the world a better place to compesnate the rest of us for paying for their room and board. When did it become logical to not require people to pay their own way from life if for some reason they decide to break the law?
So I most certainly care, and I want them to do more of it! Do it fairly, and reward them for their time. How about $25 an hour? Minus what it costs to feed 'em and house 'em. They'll still owe us when they get out. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[salmonstk]

I bet these were just sore from the smack down Steve gave them yesterday. Wish i could have seen that.

[JScott]

Prisoners have to take apart computers?! Well BOO F'N HOO! Freakin ridiculous to get upset that peopel who owe a debt to society have to actually pay it.
"Jobs said that Apple ships ground-up plastics overseas to make new recycled plastics, but the SVTC counters its Apples inaction on this issue that assures that e-waste winds up in Asia. We know from allies overseas that Apple products do end up in China and India, sent there via disreputable recyclers, according to the response from the group."
I don't think its Apples inaction that assures the plastic winds up overseas, I think its Apples actions that do. How do I know? Because that's what Jobs said! So what was their point on this one? Most of the products in this world are made in in Chine and India so why wouldn't recycled material to make products go over there too?

[tabasco_hot]

Inmates need Jobs like everyone else, but who cares. I use lead graphite pencils for 90% of my work. And I throw that sh*t out. But If my iPod battery died I would send it to Apple, and get a replacement battery installed not throw it away.

[chuckmoser]

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So I most certainly care, and I want them to do more of it! Do it fairly, and reward them for their time. How about $25 an hour?

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I could care less if they're taking apart computers or picking chunks out of a sewage canal. How about $2 an hour? They had a chance to "fairly" contribute to society BEFORE they "fairly" damaged society. They chose not to contribute to society, thus they can "fairly" make $2 and hour and be happy about it. They're lucky they make anything. They're lucky they have cable TV and radio.
They can make $25/hr after they serve their time... and work hard to get to that $25/hr level... just like the rest of us.
They are not there because they're great guys.

[doglesby]

Of all the things they could be asking of Apple, they pick these points?
I love how they talk about where Apple products end up. As though the only way to dispose of Apple products is through Apple. Personally, when I recycled my old mac, I used the government recycling program in my area. It's a short drive and free. However, they might contract the work to a facility that gasp uses prison labor. How will I ever live with myself?

[liminal]

I don't understand people who are happy with the status quo and who slam an environmental group for caring.
the present level of consumerism and disposability in north america is not sustainable. it is also wrong to pollute -- period and fullstop. i could care less about comparing who is worse than who, or who has a greater token tonneage of recycling than the other. living sustainably and not dumping toxic pollutants is an ethical principle from which no rationalization can or should be allowed to derogate. every company should be held to a standard that requires everything they produce to be recyclable, reusable, or biodegradable. simple as that.
i fear that far to many people think as shareholders in this company's profit margin, and not as shareholders of a finite biosphere. "think different" my a$$...

[Nobody]

Shhhhhhh! Don't let them know you know they know that you know. Many antagonist are pretending to be of a group in order to discredit said group since it actually is a progressive opposition to the status quo. Activist judges! Hippie tree huggers! Civil rights whiners and thieves! You too could be misrepresented in the name of anti-progress, so...SHHHHHH!!!