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Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT

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Posted 04 May 2005 - 08:00 AM

The camera’s feature set—combined with the vast assortment of available Canon mount lenses—make the Rebel XT the best choice so far in the sub-$1,000 digital-SLR market. more
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 09:40 AM

I'm thinking about purchasing this camera. Does the RAW format work with Photoshop? I've been reading a lot how some camera makers make you use their software when working with the RAW format.
Thanks.
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 10:03 AM

as far as i know Nikon's RAW is the only RAW that won't work. the reason is because Nikon is encrypting the RAW data and won't tell anyone else how to read it.
with canon, minolta, pentax you should be fine
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 10:09 AM

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Does the RAW format work with Photoshop?

I have the original Digital Rebel, and the RAW format plays quite nicely with Photoshop. This camera was what brought me back to Canon after a brief detour into the world of Nikon. I can't recommend it highly enough.
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 10:34 AM

Just a bit of clarification is needed on the chips. The rebel XT uses an entirely different chip than the 20D. It is 8.0 MP while the 20D uses a "Second Generation" 8.2 MP chip. It is true that both are CMOS and both use the DIG!C II image processor, but the chips are hardly identical. I think a more true statement would be "image quality will be similar" instead of saying identical. Cheers!
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 10:51 AM

Thanks. Hopefully i can get mine tommorow.
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 10:58 AM

Incredible camera -- mine came with a bad lens (couldn't autofocus properly), but a quick exchange (of the lens) solved that problem. If you have even a minute amount of style sense (which is about how much I have), go with the silver camera. The black version is fairly hideous. Other than colour, there's really no choice (the lens in the kit is very good for amateur work) -- this is simply the best digital SLR in its category and price range.
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 12:24 PM

The Rebel XT's chip is different than the 20D's chip. But in tests I've seen the results are nearly identical. But the difference in firmware might give the 20D an edge. As important as the chip, the actual processing of the raw image data (as opposed to the RAW file, which is made up of that raw image data) is better in terms of noise and color-crossover.
As for silver vs. black, by far the choice of professional photographers is to go with black, and the reason for that is the camera is less conspicuous. And in terms fo the rebels, the silver color gives the cameras appearance a much cheaper-looking quality. But taste shoudl guide one in such a decision. Pros aren't going to to this camera for serious work anyway.
Heck, after using the 1Ds Mark II, I turn my nose up at the 20D now! And the 20D is an oustanding camera, and well worth the difference in price between it and the Rebel XT if you spend much time at all shooting. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 12:27 PM

Photoshop works with all of the current Canon cameras out. If it doesn't because something is new, it's only a matter of weeks until Adobe has it working.
Nikon has encrypted the white balance information in their RAW file format. They claim it's so you will have to use their software, thus ensuring that you get the best "Nikon experience" with your camera. Which is total nonsense. There is software out that does a better job with Nikon's files than their own software. And where do they get off taking control of someone's creative work? It's enough to convince me to NEVER buy Nikon. And to mention it every chance I get. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 02:30 PM

I think it actually uses the same chip as the 20D, only it's cropped. With 200k fewer pixels, the size difference between the two sensors is just enough to maintain equal surface areas per pixel, yelding identical signal to noise ratios.
If you mean that the two cameras' sensors still differ in other ways, then that's news to me.
I'm dying to get the Rebel XT but I can only buy it from Best Buy and they don't carry the black one (yet?)! I'll be replacing my S50 with the Rebel XT (paying the difference of course). In exchange for much higher image quality, I'll be giving up panoramic stitch-assist, movie mode, and voice memo. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But not until Best Buy carries the black one!
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 04:01 PM

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Pros aren't going to to this camera for serious work anyway.


Ouch. That hurt.
I guess it's true that the only creature more arrogant than a Mac user is a Leica man.
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 05:53 PM

I purchased my Rebel XT when they first came out and I have NOT been disappointed. I "upgraded" from an HP Photosmart 850 that died and I'm greatly enjoying the new camera. I purchased the black and think it looks very sharp with a black lens, but that's a personal choice. I bought the camera w/o the Canon lens, but purchased instead the Sigma 18-125 zoom, and I'm VERY pleased with the choice. It gives me good wide angle and good telephoto capabilities, and was designed specifically for digital cameras. It's a bit bigger and heavier than the Canon lens that comes with the camera, but not so much so that it's unusable. It's a fantastic camera and with many great features, one of my favorites being the instant start-up time. No more missed shots. It will be a while before I truly feel I've mastered the Rebel XT with all the features it has. Anyone who purchases a Rebel XT will not be disappointed! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 08:13 PM

What, did you guys get paid for this article? Specifically, did Canon pay you extra money to leave out any mention of THE DREBEL's MAIN COMPETING CAMERA, the Nikon D70? Yes, yes, the new XT model has a whopping 2 MP increase over the D70, and yet, in many many comparisons, the D70 is still considered to have better image quality. In overall usability (something your readership being Mac readers generally care about), there is simply no comparison: the D70 completely trounces the XT. I am not saying the D70 is far and away a better camera. I am saying, different strokes for different folks. If you want a smaller, lighter, less-featured, and somewhat less expensive camera that takes very good pictures, go for the DREBEL XT. If you prefer a larger, meatier camera with more user controls, much better quality build and very similar (some say better some say worse) image quality at a small increase in price, go for the D70. Both are sub $1,000 cameras (and yet MacWorld seems to miss that fact). Perhaps its just as well, since many articles (dpreview and Popular Photography for instance) don't really compare Nikon's D70 to the DREBEL XT, instead they compare the D70 to the Canon 20, even though the D70 is only $100 more than the DREBEL (the D70 is now street priced at about $999 (w/o lens) and the 20D is $500 more than the D70). Okay, I guess that's fine. I am just glad I didn't make this decision when I bought my D-SLR. I couldn't have afforded the 20D, and according to this article, the D70 either doesn't exist, or isn't worthy of comparison. Lame, really.
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 01:21 AM

I personaly use 20D, but it seems that all digital camera like to blowout the highlight area like crazy, specally backlit scene, those highlight area reading is 0,0,0, I have tried jpg, raw to pull back detail, but nothing is there to save.
another problem is hot crazy color, color like pink, purple, and very light color, it just look weird. skintone is also not very good, it just too yellow.
like most people if you only view those digital image on screen, it does look very nice, but after you print them out, you will see film is better.
maybe you don't believe, my 15 years old pentax k-1000 still produce better color then my 20d
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