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Does a Safe Booot work, Shift key down during startup.

[jim_julian_MW]

Reboot ... I haven't had a hung start in the last 24 hours to try a Safe Boot. That's one of the things I'll try when it hangs next. I've been trying to avoid shutdowns, only shutting down when I bring the laptop to/from the office.

[Dr-NiKoN]

It's pretty easy to figure out what the problem is.
Boot in Verbose mode(apple-v), when it hangs you will clearly see what it's trying to do.

[jim_julian_MW]

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Is this:
Jul 8 05:45:51 localhost SystemStarter: (ipc/rcv) timed out : Cannot connect to Window Server; log out or reboot needed
Jul 8 05:46:15 localhost SystemStarter: The "HasShadow" window property is obsolete. Use CGSSetWindowShadowAndRimParameters(cid, wid, 0.0,0.0, 0,0, CGSNoShadowStyle) to turn off the window shadow instead. Set a break-point on CGSLogMessage to find out where this property is set.
a big problem??

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Did anyone have thoughts about the system log item quoted above?

[jim_julian_MW]

Ahhh NiKoN ... Jim bows three times in the general direction of Norway.
In Verbose Mode the text info goes by at warp speed, but I guess what you're saying is that in verbose mode IF the computer start hangs at the point that would be the grey screen on a normal start you'll still be in the verbose text screen and see precisely what the hang is about. Do I understand correctly?
One other question ... does Verbose Mode provide any information that would not be found in the system log?
Thanks!

[Dr-NiKoN]

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IF the computer start hangs at the point that would be the grey screen on a normal start you'll still be in the verbose text screen and see precisely what the hang is about. Do I understand correctly?

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Yes.

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One other question ... does Verbose Mode provide any information that would not be found in the system log?

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Yes and no.
Everything that is written to the screen in Verbose mode is also written to the system log. But, in verbose mode you get the timing. You see how long things take. This is nice if your machine takes 10 minutes to boot or your machine hangs /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Dr-NiKoN]

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Did anyone have thoughts about the system log item quoted above?

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Have you installed any GUI hacks?

[jim_julian_MW]

Dr N: No GUI hacks installed.

[jim_julian_MW]

OK ... had a hung start restarted in Verbose Mode, here is the only section of the system log where there were significant pauses:
ul 9 15:00:46 localhost SystemStarter: Welcome to Macintosh.
Verbose mode said something here about virtual memory that was not in the system log
Jul 9 15:01:41 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading Little Snitch
Jul 9 15:01:41 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting SecurityServer
Jul 9 15:01:41 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting kernel event agent
Jul 9 15:01:41 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting Apple Multicast DNS Responder
Jul 9 15:01:41 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting timed execution services
Jul 9 15:02:02 localhost diskarbitrationd[87]: disk0s3 hfs 652EEEFD-384F-38EB-91E6-B4A7A9D5CC82 Computer /
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Loading Little Snitch
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Loading Little Snitch
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Starting SecurityServer
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Starting kernel event agent
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Starting Apple Multicast DNS Responder
Jul 9 15:02:03 localhost SystemStarter: Starting timed execution services
Note at the there was something about virtual memory (starting?) on the Verbose Mode screen that was not in the System Log (???)
Also ... someone suggested I repair permissions twice in a row. I did that right after the Verbose Mode start and got the following identicle report twice:
Repairing permissions for Computer
Determining correct file permissions.
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Displays. New permissions are 16893
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/ColorSync/Profiles. New permissions are 16893
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
We are using a special uid for the file or directory ./private/var/at/jobs. New uid is 1
We are using a special uid for the file or directory ./private/var/at/spool. New uid is 1
The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume
Permissions repair complete
I'm a bit puzzeled how you can repair permissions, the utility reports repairs complete, you immediately run the repair again and the same items need to be repaired once again.

[Dr-NiKoN]

There is no information in the above post that helps us diagnose the problem. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Unless you can provide the actual messages, I say Archive and Install.

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I'm a bit puzzeled how you can repair permissions, the utility reports repairs complete, you immediately run the repair again and the same items need to be repaired once again.

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Conflicting permissions-settings in your Receipt-files.

[mr.steevo]

Hi,
I asked what happens when you reboot holding the Shift key, not the S key. Holding down the Shift key during reboot stops start up items from loading. Other problems could be a result of your computer having difficulties connecting to a wireless network. An easy way to see if your wireless access is wonky is to start up Help in the finder and see if it also takes a long time to load (or not at all).
Just for fun, I would dump LittleSnitch and see what happens with your booting times.
s.

[Reboot]

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I'm a bit puzzeled how you can repair permissions, the utility reports repairs complete, you immediately run the repair again and the same items need to be repaired once again.

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It's not repairing them. After some security updates certain permissions were changed from the stock install for security purposes. Disk Utility is just making sure the special permissions are set.
HTH

[jim_julian_MW]

I think Mr Steevo has found the problem. I uninstalled Little Snitch (and also Deja Vu, which I've not been using) and the boot times speeded up big time. I then reinstalled Little Snitch ... performance still good. I then updated Little Snitch as I was a couple of minor releases behind ... performance still good and no hangups.
Thanks to all the people who though about this thread and particularly those who responded. On thing this has done is to remind me what a good troubleshooting tool Verbose Mode is.