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Posted 21 July 2005 - 11:53 AM

I love my iBook G4. I love Tiger. Yes, they're great.
BUT, my job requires that I be able to transfer files between my iBook and my PC, and I'd like to do it via filesharing with a direct ethernet cable.
I've got an iBook G4, a PC with a gigabit ethernet port, and a Belkin crossover cable. I've tried every darn tutorial on the internet on how to do it, all my settings are right (as far as the tutorials go), and the PC recognizes when I plug in the Mac to the crossover cable. The only hitch is, it waits a while, then gives me some message about having "Limited or no connectivity," and the network doesn't work.
Anybody ever done this before? Had the same problems? Know how to fix?
Thanks
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 11:56 AM

The other day I got that same error message upon plugging in my ethernet cable, i checked everything and it ended up being the cable that wasn't allowing me to connect, maybe thats the answer to your trouble? You could also try booting your iBook as a hard drive and just grabbing the files off of there through your PC. Anyways, hope that helps a little.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 01:08 PM

thanks...i don't know about the cable...methinks cables shouldn't be capable of deciding whether or not they think it's a good thing to let me connect two computers /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
but like i said, i need to be able to move files between the pc and the mac, not just mac to pc. could there be a problem with the settings? could it be that i'm stupid and the computers hate me?
i'm willing to bet it's just one LITTLE thing that i'm doing wrong that's totally screwing me up, yet still, the message remains: "Limited or no connectivity..."
anybody out there know what to do?....
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 05:24 PM

Try using a hub instead of a crossover cable.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 10:24 AM

sorry for my obvious noobishness, but what exactly would a hub do that the direct cable wouldn't?
i'm just trying to learn more about the whole thing, and hopefully, maybe one day i'll get the stupid thing to work.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 04:51 PM

if you want them both connected to the internet then the normal thing is connect each computer to a thing called a switch then connect the switch to the internet. there are units that combine the switch and the router into one unit, which is what I should do, because I keep getting connection problems. I got a Tivo and a PC and a G5 connected together by the switch ( the device that connects the three together) then the switch is place between your internet source and and the switch. Therefore my Tivo and my PC and G5 are connected to each other and to the internet.
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 07:28 PM

A hub is sthe standard way to connect, crossovers sometimes do not work right. Sometimes the settings for the Ethernet ports need to be tweaked under certain conditions.
Here's a hub/switch;
http://www.ebuyer.co...XJ2aWV3&product[/u]uid=52169&_LOC=US
If you have high speed internet you can share it between two or more comuters if you get a what's called a router, for pretty much the same price as a hub. They have built in switches so it serves two purposes.
HTH
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:24 AM

hey guys thanks for the replies...sorry if i may have been a tad too vague as to my experience and situation. here's what i've got:
an ibook g4, an imac g5, and a pc. they all have wireless cards, all are connected to the same Belkin wireless router in my attic.
at first i just gave up the idea of trying to share files between mac/pc with the wireless connection, even though the ibook and imac do it so extraordinarly smoothly, so i bought a crossover cable. but, you say, if a switch is what i could use to get it to work, and a router has a switch built in, then maybe using the wireless connection to network them isn't too far-fetched after all.
but, i still don't know how i'd go about that either /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
^-^ still confused
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 08:50 AM

You should be able to share wirelessly as you know. Are you looking to do the cable for faster transfers than with wireless?
I just reread your first post, you would need a gigabit switch to take advanatge of the gigabit cards.
I'm not sure, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, I think gigabit doesn't work with a crossover cable, it won't function at full speed.
It may be a setting in the PC or Mac for the Enet port, is it set ot Automatic, Gigabit, 100, Full or half duplex etc? I don't know if setting both manually to the same would help. On the Mac it's in Network Preferences.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 06:57 PM

First a question, have you hard coded the ip's or do you normally use a DHCP device to assign this.
What I can't see in your description is where your machines are getting this information from. If they are not manually assigned they your machine will not be able to communicate. As well I don't think you need the cross over as I think the macs will auto figure it out.
A switch or a hub will not fix the problem above if you have not manually set the IP's in both machines. I am also not sure in the case you described as to what your gateway should be.
I do what you describe all the time but have a router that acts as the gateway as well as it hands out the IP's automactically.
Hope this helps.
wireless between the machines has the same problem who is assigning the IP's for you. If there is a router it does it for you but two machines unless you manually set the ips don't.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 07:24 PM

dswitch has the problem, not me. My setup works fine. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Posted 05 August 2005 - 08:16 PM

I'm assuming you're using Tiger. When I installed it I read in the book that you don't need a crossover cable to connect to PCs anymore. The Tiger (skimpy) manual should be available for download. So the crossover may be causing a problem rather than solving it.
What I wanted to do is mount my PC on my Mac desktop (and also print from PC wireless) and did it this way.. the post is near end of page:
http://www.macworld....true#Post337865
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