[PeterG]

Ok,
I work in Real Estate.
We have a service for information called the MLS, (multiple listing service)
Over the years the vendor has moved toward one company one browser, MS-IE Windows.
I had been able to use IE 5.2.3 Mac to search for information but they have now obstructed that from happening.
I can still use other functions with IE Mac.
Below is their response:
"As you are aware, over a year ago, Microsoft made a decision that they were not going to support or update the IE browser for the Mac (compare the last IE Mac version 5.2.3 to the most current IE for Windows version 6.0.2900.2180).
As a result, Sandicor has been notifying the Mac users via our newsletters, Tempo welcome greeting and/or phone conversations that as Tempo and IE continue to move forward, compatibility with the Mac will continue to decrease.
We had aTempo publish on August 22nd thatresulted in Mac users no longer being able to run searches in Tempo. To continue using the Tempo MLS system, Mac users will need to look into purchasing the Virtual PC (Windows emulation) program for the Mac to access Tempo (which is already a requirement for Mac users running Winforms) or use a Windows-based PC." end of quote.

They are using MS as an excuse to NOT support the Mac even though IE 5.2.3 worked. And forget VPC.
My QUESTION to all you coders/programmers/writers is:
Just because the vendor IS using MSIE 6 Windows, and has been using IE 5.2.3 Mac, how does that stop them from continuing to use MSIE Mac?
By the way, this is a fee/dues/subscription based service, $125 a quarter. That's without any other board dues.
I would appreciate any thoughts and explanations.
Thanks,
Peter
one very PO person. I would like to write how I really feel but it would be DELETED by Derik..
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[d00d]

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I would like to write how I really feel but it would be DELETED by Derik.

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[/indent] Nah, I'd save it for yelling at people.
Really, there is no good reason for them to develop for a specific browser. Developing universally compatible code (such that it supports IE, Firefox, Safari, Opera and by the transitive property all the OS's that support those browsers including Windows, Mac, Unix, Linux, etc.).
I'd continue to give them kick back and tell them that this lazy behavior is unnacceptable and that you will look for an alternative product given the chance.

[PeterG]

you will look for an alternative product given the chance.
Derik,
That's the problem. They have control because there is no alternative unless they write for multiple systems and browsers but they won't.
Microsoft has total control because of the support they offer to the vendors. So I've been told go buy a Dell and get over it. That's not the point. Money is being taken for a service I cannot use.
I've been fighting this for awhile now and IE Mac was working they just made a code change and that was it. Everything had been working just fine. Even Firefox would do a "search", the page was scrambled but FF could do it. Thats also gone.
This was the error message and source:
Line: 547
Char: 3
Error
Object doesn't support this property or method

Source:
sql=AddEqualFn(sql, document.FormOne("MapShapeSearch").value,"1");

Peter

[d00d]

There's only one developer that makes a front end for the MLS?

[PeterG]

Yep,
One contracted vendor for our 20,000 Agents in the San Diego area. Paying $125 a quarter.
Check out the vendors site. Marketlinx

The San Diego site is password/ID but you can check the home page. Sandicor
The vendor has well over 100,000 Agents. Start doing the math, yet I could not find you a home because I own a Mac. (still PO delete)
Peter

[macnuke]

Peter
are you running Safari with Safari Helper.. user agent set to MSIE 6.0 ?
I had no probs looking around the sites you linked, but then again, it may change when you get inside.
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[PeterG]

M,
Safari helper: Yes, I have it.
and
Yes the sites change.
Also with Safari I am able to password login and get most of the program, Tempo. They don't want to mess with Mac. One OS, One browser, MS-MSIE.
Peter

[PeterG]

I see it is this way. If anyone can call me out then so be it.
Between the entire RE Industry it is supported by MS.
All the home pages are generally HTML.
But
Once inside the program they change. You need Windows.
In the future all types of agreements/documents will be eForms. But your going to need VPC for the Mac, or a Windows based PC.
Why, the files are all saved in .PDF but created in Windows.EXE format. Pretty stupid unless your MS or a manufacture of a Windows box.
Lord forbid they write forms that any computer could use. Any computer, anywhere, anytime. That's what the bill of goods sold was.
Follow this:
San Diego changed vendors, OK. (1999)
It would be a different online system/vendor, OK.
You need to connect to the Internet, OK.
At that time I got an AOL account, OK.
I logged on (AOL) entered the website, Sorry your browser is incompatible (something like that), OK.
I had Netscape, opened it, entered website, Sorry your browser is incompatible, OK.
Contact support, Oh you need MSIE, OK, I download MSIE Mac.
Still online with AOL, opened IE, Sorry your browser is incompatible, What.
Contact support, Oh, you need IE Windows it won't work on a Mac, WHAT.....
But MS has IE Mac, yes but at this time it will only work for Windows PC.
That changed after some complaining.
Now, we're back to, We will not be supporting Macintosh computers. But VPC can work.

There is a breaking point when I'm stopped from being able to look after clients because of a contracted vendor who only wants to write specific code for MS and MSIE.
They forget who they work for and the RE Boards are happy to fill offices with cheap computers. I'm not even going to go near the anti-problem software they need.
I know this sounds like a rant but until Industries like Real Estate are opened up it will be a damn long time to walk around with one computer, hooking up anywhere and delivering a service you had promised your clients.
Derik, still PO'd and I could still DELETE.
Peter

[macnuke]

P
in reference to the Pm you sent me.. and being forced into a win computer cause they won't support anything,
well, the politically correct statement is " It inhales greatly"
m

[PeterG]

yep,
and I can be sensitive to people correctness but this to me is commercial sabotage and we'll see what happens.
All I need is the technical ammunition to challenge them with and say excuse me but...... and make the Mac active. So we can have any computer, anywhere, anytime.
I'll take whatever information I can get to the question:
Can Windows IE6, work with IE 5.2.3 Mac?
That's it.
Peter

[macnuke]

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Can Windows IE6, work with IE 5.2.3 Mac?

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better yet, code so Firefox works with Windows or Mac OS.
many users prefer that one on the windows side as it is. I think I saw a link a while back that IE was losing ground to firefox on any platform.

[PeterG]

M,
Let's see if I can cheer myself up.
There "used" to be a forum/message board on the Tempo program. We could contact and let support know what is right or wrong.
I would have been one of the first to start talking about FF, to "them" in the forum. Continued updates of Security flaws by MS, and increased usage of FF. If FF went down it's not connected to your system like IE is. In the end, "they", pulled the forum and would not answer logical difficult questions.
I'm no genius..... but these people are just plain stupid. Oh feeling better.
Until I start thinking about......
So, I'll take ALL the information I can get, a couple of technical lines that would make them more foolish than they are.
Example:
I can load the program in Safari, except for a column that holds the search button. So I can't use it.
There is another search where you enter the MLS number. The search button is there and I can open it.
It would be easier to climb Everest than get through to these people. Idiots, feeling better again,
Peter

[DPG4450Guy]

Sure wish I had a user / pswd to peruse that site
cuz I betcha Firefox and Mozilla could twirl right thru it.

[macnuke]

trust me.. it won't