[PeterG]

OK All,
How difficult would it be for a company that was only using IE Windows in their browser based system to add a duel platform browser like FireFox?
I would appreciate your technical expertise.
Peter

[macnuke]

not an html writer.
but if they just didn't take MS shortcuts and used the standards, it should be any browser would work.
they just have to get off the MS bandwagon and write to standards.
m

[PeterG]

M,
Below,
This is an e-mail Carol received and I kept from the year 2001, explaining the new system, what it was and how it works. We're being told the same thing now.
Would anyone like to comment.
Peter

Dear Ms. Wilson, regarding your comments and questions on the compatibility
of Sandicor's Tempo MLS system and the Macintosh version of IE 5.0,
MarketLinx, our vendor, is aware of the problem and will be addressing the
compatibility issue after the Macintosh version of IE 5.5 is released.
Currently, the PC version of IE 5.0 is compatible with Tempo. Evidently
Microsoft can not or will not build the same features and functionality into
the same version release of IE for Windows and Macintosh platforms, nor will
they release them at the same time.

Our vendor released the current version of Tempo (v3.0) based on the
advancements Microsoft had made with the PC version of IE 5.x. We made the
decision to install the current release of Tempo based on those
enhancements. We expected, based on industry information, that Microsoft
would release the Macintosh version of IE 5.5 late winter/early spring of
this year. Perhaps we were optimistic, along with MarketLinx, that
Microsoft would release the updated Macintosh browser prior to our Tempo
system coming on-line. When it become apparent that this would not happen,
we felt it was not in the best interest of our membership to throw away the
time, money and energy Sandicor had invested into Tempo v3.0 and start over
with Tempo v2.0 (Macintosh & IE 4.0 compatible), or wait for Microsoft to
release Macintosh IE 5.5.

We expect, again, that Microsoft will develop Macintosh IE to the same level
as PC IE 5.0 or IE 5.5. Until it is commercially released (not beta), will
MarketLinx be able to evaluate the advancements and functionality for Tempo.
Regarding the expected release date of Macintosh IE 5.5, Microsoft has only
given Fall/Winter as the new release window. If it becomes apparent that
Macintosh IE 5.5 is not as advanced as PC IE 5.5, we will evaluate having
our vendor develop a separate interface for Macintosh. Please keep in mind
that Tempo is not a web site. It is an extremely complex multi-user /
multi-tasking data retrieval system that uses a web browser for the user
interface.

Director of Operations

[d00d]

Kinda BS. Version numbers are meaningless. The features they require of the web browser is what they should be listing.

[PeterG]

Thanks d00d, I agree and it's very frustrating and that letter was from 2001.
I was given a windows box and I bought a Linksys router. Wireless-G 2.4 GHz.
We haven't finished setting up a network but the wireless works, tested from his PC laptop. I'm obviously online but I haven't done this before.
When I think I'm finished setting up what/where should I be looking on my mac to use his box?
I'm still going to fight this but in the meantime if I can get this setup to work at least I can argue for the mac as being a machine that will work with the PC.
Anyway,
If I could get a quick rundown on where to go what to open what to look for I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Peter
I'll give more info into his machine when he arrives.
Me, iMac G4, OS X.3.9, 800 MHz, 768 mb
I would buy the iMac G5 if the monitor was on a post like my G4. Hello Apple/inventors

[d00d]

Remote Desktop Client for Mac will let you use the Windows box remotely on you Macintosh. I've heard the quality is decent too.

[PeterG]

Derik,
I was wrong about the MLS and Mac's not being supported and this link proves it. Rapattoni
I hope other developers and Real Estate Boards take notice of a Company trying to look after it's clients. If you own a Mac there is NO reason why you should be shut out.
Contact your Board and show them Rapattoni's site.
Peter

[dougster]

-Peter,
I can totally understand your frustration...to some degree. I posted awhile back about a husband, and wife Real Estate team that gave me their Macs to donate, only because they could NOT use their MLS for their company. Can't remember what year, but not that far back. They had to spend a lot of bucks just for the listings when they got into the 'puter world. Yeah, they were pissed to say the least.
Since the topic is having to use PCs there are many 3rd party vendors that write software for Comcast, ie. Rapsody...PC/Wintel only just to mention 1 of many features. AOL for PC has many features also, but NOT for the Mac platform. One of the main ones is streaming video. I have AOL only for test purposes, and only use it when I have to, and its almost free or I'd dump it. AOL says if vendors write for the PC and we like it we add it to the platform for members, and not many will write for Macs. They say you are paying for a connection, and that is what you get...the other stuff is just a bonus. Man-0-man....what a crock. From the Mac message boards in the last 1 1/2 yrs, they are dropping their accounts at a very rapid pace. And I DO understand why. One of the main reasons is the builtin bow-wowzer on the Mac platform is a very, very old version of M$IE, but can't remember the version. Its so old many sites will NOT load because the certificate can't get authorized for lack of a better term.
On the good side: ESPN, CNN, and a few other sports sites have got things fired up for streaming video on the Mac platform. Yeah, it kinda gets in the way of making any money, but its fun. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[PeterG]

Thanks Doug.
The Office 2004 thread changed to MSIE Windows because like most we have Office loaded on our computers just to be able to receive from Windows.
I was trying to make the point Realtors are self employed and the control of MLS's (Multiple Listing Service) is wrong. They think Windows IE will be enough but it doesn't give you 100%.
Realtors don't receive a check each week for putting in 40 hrs work for a particular company. Why, because they are self employed. It might seem like they work for a Company when in fact it is just the Industry. Just like the Stock Market. Someone who trades online, using Ameritrade doesn't mean they work for Ameritrade or whatever trading company. By the way, I had an online chat with them and I could use them to trade with my Mac.
I wish someone would write an article telling/explaining the truth about self employed people being forced to use Windows. Office 2004 might have very good programs in it but in the Real Estate Industry when you receive a report "Building Inspection" for example, it's sent in a .PDF format. When I look for information about houses, I can send the information to you in an e-mail with a link, or I could save the file as a .PDF. and send it as an attachment.
To be quite frank I don't need to use any part of MS. There is a section called MLS # Search. You enter the number and it will find it. I have just done that using Safari, NOT MSIE. That's the frustration of being denied access yet I could use Safari if it was tweaked. (removed a link, needed password)
I'd bet that most people in this forum don't use IE. And if they did they wouldn't be given an Error, saying tough we only take Safari. I think the easiest way for everyone here to understand what I'm talking about is those of you who have your own web sites, is the same as being self employed. You are not controlled by MS or Apple or Linux or Unix, you work for yourself. Just as Realtors, except Self employed Realtors are being told you will work for MS.
I will gladly answer any questions. While I'm informing you of the facts.
Peter

[dougster]

Nice link -Peter:
"You are not authorized to view this page
You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied because your Web browser is sending a WWW-Authenticate header field that the Web server is not configured to accept.
Please try the following:
Contact the Web site administrator if you believe you should be able to view this directory or page.
Click the Refresh button to try again with different credentials.
HTTP Error 401.2 - Unauthorized: Access is denied due to server configuration.
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Technical Information (for support personnel)
Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 401.
Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled About Security, Authentication, and About Custom Error Messages."
Well, that is truly a turn off, and I get the picture. As for web masters creating sites, the good ones will load their creation into many browsers to make sure most folks will have access. Some really don't care from what I've read, or they are NOT real good at HTML'ing. I know you are familiar w/ AAA Auto Club of Southern CA, and a few other places, but they had some pages that were NOT Mac friendly. Anyway, I wrote to the web master and explained how many folks run the Macintosh platform. He did respond, and said many have sent the same type of message to him. About a year later I was able to use NC, and Safari. Sometimes it pays to put in 2 cents worth. Good luck...Somebody, I believe on another forum, suggested you purchase a cheap PC to run your business out of, and keep the Mac for real surfin', and pleasure. Not the answer you are looking for, but a workaround. And write it off 10 fold... /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[PeterG]

...... yep.
I removed the link because it didn't show the page. But you did capture it while it was there. Pretty annoying isn't it.
10 fold sounds good, but man I hate being controlled that way.
Peter

[PeterG]

I think this will give the Link using Safari. Link
Peter

[dougster]

YuP...sure does,
Also works on NCv 7.2, and believe it or not, AOL for OSX (10.3.6--Revision 4136.291(US). For the AOL folks I like to test the URL in question, and then send a 'report request ' to AOL if things are wonky. Only because I started w/ AOL when it was Mac only many moons ago. Had to switch to broadband when serious surfin' was in order. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif//

[jburford]

I have some good news for you. I found a browser called MADFOX... It is a build of FireFox. It works for 99% of Marketlinx Tempo MLS. Only problem Ihave found so far is adding a prospect. I think this link should work: http://www.splyb.com...fox/?page_id=28
if not just do a search for MAC OSX Browsers Madfox.
I do not think it is under development anymore.
JJB