[jwardell]

This sucks. MacWorld Expo was the best when originally in Boston, even better than MWSF. It could have happened again but Steve had to be stubborn. And without apple, no one else would come.
This will probably break my 10-year streak of attending macworld as well. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I'm willing to bet Boston has the highest percentage of mac users per capita vs any other city. Apple continues to ignore them.

[BlacknTan]

Again, as a previous poster has mentioned, I don't believe it has anything to do with ignoring Mac Users in Boston. It's about accessability and something else...presence. An event in New York has more stature, and more importance, than an event in Boston.
Don't get me wrong, I like Boston. I like it better than New York, but for an event to draw visitors from all over New England, New York has the advantage, hands down.

[cseeman]

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t's about accessability and something else...presence

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Just to exapand on that. NYC is a much bigger media market. While the "trade" publications will follow a show anywhere, the mainstream media is more likely to cover an event (and reach the general public) if they have local people to cover it and the coverage has broader reach. The New York Times (and the NY Daily News) have broad reach. The NYTimes has national reach. A third party deverloper getting 30 seconds of a 3 minute story on a local NYC TV station can reach millions.

[mixylplik3]

RIP Macworld Expo Boston/New York
I have used a Macintosh since 1984. I was 5. My first expo was in 1990. I was in 5th grade. My dad let me buy "Mission Starlight". It was held at the Bayside Expo Center in Dorchester. The next one I went to was in 1997. It was the last year of the clones. I was a MacCentral reader back then, and when they asked for volunteers to work the booth, I did. I handed out bookmarks for MacCentral. I remember they had a guy showcasing air filters for your computer. ("Compufilter", how creative!)
Macworld Expo has been slowly dying. When it moved from Boston to New York, it was really needing it. The return to Boston, without major vendor support, was doomed to fail from the beginning.
I will miss having an East Coast show. The San Francisco show is great and I've been to it in the past. It will probably be better as a result of this.
Thanks for the memories Macworld and MacCentral!!

[tabasco_hot]

If they put it back in NY Apple would be there. I have no doubts about that. Leaving NY was the only reason Apple chose not to attend. If they hosted it in NY again it would be a stellar show to see. Maybe next year. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bigh]

Sorry to disagree, but I think there were a lot of reasons Apple pulled out. At the time, the move to Boston was seen as a handy excuse for something Apple had been meaning to do for awhile. The show was expensive for Apple to attend and exhibit, but I think the biggest reason was that Apple wanted more control over the timing of their new product release. That seems to have been born out by their use of a variety of shows (WWDC, France Expo, Japan Expo, etc.) and the unexpected press conference (e.g., the recent nano). There is much more to the picture than the Expo leaving New York.

[veggiedude]

With the amount of traffic the Apple Store gets, with one on each towns corner, do we really need an Expo? Not anymore. It used to be a necessity. Now it is just purely 'what will Steve introduce this time'.

[jedi228]

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apple users are FANATICS who support anything apple

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This is true. But it isn't the Apple fanatics who make shows possible. It is the software and hardware companies who shell out big sponsorship bucks that make shows possible.
The media doesn't come just to photograph large crowds of users.
I like the show too! But we have to be realistic.
ps
Also, Jobs used Boston as a polite excuse to leave. If MacWorld reinstated in NY, Jobs still won't return.

[BigAppleFan]

I agree with you. Once the decided to move to Boston and Apple pulled out, it was just a matter of time before they killed the whole thing.
I didn't go this year but I went last year to the first show they had in Boston after NYC without Apple and it was sad. We finished the whole show floor in about and hour. (Since when did back massagers and cel phone knick knacks exhibit in Macworld?) For this year I had badge in hand ready to go again but decided against it. And based on the reviews of the show, I really didn't miss much. (A few cool iPod accessories could hardly justify a day off and trip up there.) Sad I had to break my 10 year streak too.
What was surprising was that after the show there was some announcemnet about how successful the show was and how it would be there again next year. That really surprised me. Well I guess they ran the numbers and realized it really was a failure. This came as no surprise though.
East Coast Macworld RIP. It was good while it lasted. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Dick_Danger]

I was going to read the entire thread but I got tired. I miss the NY show but I don't miss the teamster's.

[moose_n_squirrel]

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A third party deverloper getting 30 seconds of a 3 minute story on a local NYC TV station can reach millions

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I'm curious if anything of this kind ever happened when the show was at its height of popularity.
I mean, everybody says, the show is so great, it's so good for Apple, but what we see is that vendors won't show up, developers won't show up, attendees won't show up. Where's this groundswell of die-hard Mac fanatic support that everybody talks about as Apple's great asset during the supposed historic rebirth in Apple market share? Where is it?
The show floor is one side, but what about the workshops. Is another reason for the death of Macworld (and other shows like Comdex) is that there are other ways to get training than at an expo class?

[OM_user]

I would love to believe that. And believe you me, I'd be there if it came back to NY with Apple in attendance. Being a native NY'er, I went to every one while it was in NYC save one. But, I don't think anything will get Apple back to an East coast show.
Putting on my conspiracy theory cap, I get the sense that Apple deliberately waited until IDG had announced the move to Boston to play their card of pulling out of the show, because they wanted an excuse not to do the East coast one anymore. I suppose it's possible Apple would still be there if the show were still in NY, but I think they'd have come up with some reason not to show one way or another. As others have pointed out, it's not cheap to do these shows, and Apple's product announcement strategies have changed in recent years. Probably too much pressure to wow everyone each year.
No matter what though, I'm sad to see this go. Even if I didn't get to the Boston shows. And I think everyone who is saying that big shows like this are not needed anymore are missing an important aspect of expos like these. For me, I always felt a sense of pride and camaraderie when I went to MW. It was awesome to see and meet so many people who were Mac users, or at least interested in becoming ones. It always reinforced that my platform of choice was thriving, alive and in good health. I don't think that same feeling can be achieved at your local Apple Store. For that reason, I'm glad I didn't go to the last Boston show. From what I saw and heard, it was pretty bleak. It would have been depressing. But the change in location and absence of Apple were bound to do that.
And with that I say goodbye to MacWorld, because the chances that I'll ever get to the West coast show are pretty slim. Well, at least I have memories from the NY show.

[cseeman]

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With the amount of traffic the Apple Store gets, with one on each towns corner, do we really need an Expo?

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I'll repeat again. You get to talk to 3rd party developers at the shows. The people at the Apple stores know APPLE products. They have almost no clue about many of the 3rd party applications and do not carry that many.

[superB]

Born and raised in Boston. Moved to NYC- then moved back home to Boston ... to die. Sad Indeed