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Funny how the people complaining about not having their disks are worried about failure.
If it's so important to you, why don't you have a clone of your hard disk. Given the time it would take to reinstall and configure all your software, (remember, not having those disks for a few days is worth sooooo much money right), you must certainly have a backup of your disk. You'd be a fool not to.
This is a non-issue. It's just one of those things people whine about without thinking it through.
Apple begins Universal crossgrade for pro apps
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 01:22 PM
Do not buy then. I would love to see a video of Apple Computer Inc. forcing you to buy the new FCS bundle. Let's see perhaps the scene could evolve with CEO Steve intensely focusing his RDF on you and then it would cutaway to a dreamy scene where you would be seen symbolically drinking the "KOOLAID", then a quick cut to you holding the new FCS bundle while you are checking your credit card statement online because your buying FCS felt like a dream. Oh well.
Apple can do whatever they want such as only selling the bundle FCS instead of the separate apps. If you do not like their policy then do not buy. You might consider migrating to the PC if the apps are sold separately over on that side. Or perhaps an older version of the single app you wanted is for sale on e-bay and you could buy it there. Calling the policies of a Corporation (singular) [remember it is Apple Computer Inc.] "Asswipes" (plural) is just plain inane. Do something to figure out your dilemma rather than passively whining and calling a Corporation a plurality name.
Apple can do whatever they want such as only selling the bundle FCS instead of the separate apps. If you do not like their policy then do not buy. You might consider migrating to the PC if the apps are sold separately over on that side. Or perhaps an older version of the single app you wanted is for sale on e-bay and you could buy it there. Calling the policies of a Corporation (singular) [remember it is Apple Computer Inc.] "Asswipes" (plural) is just plain inane. Do something to figure out your dilemma rather than passively whining and calling a Corporation a plurality name.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 01:35 PM
"Apple can do whatever they want such as only selling the bundle FCS instead of the separate apps. If you do not like their policy then do not buy."
But users don't have to be happy about it. If they were going to do this with apps like STP I wish they would have done it from the beginning. I bought with the expectation of future upgrades being probably $99 if that. What will the next FCS upgrade be? $300?
Now I'm stuck with the choice between paying upgrade costs comparable to what I bought it for in the first place, or abandoning an app I paid good money for because it's a dead end.
But users don't have to be happy about it. If they were going to do this with apps like STP I wish they would have done it from the beginning. I bought with the expectation of future upgrades being probably $99 if that. What will the next FCS upgrade be? $300?
Now I'm stuck with the choice between paying upgrade costs comparable to what I bought it for in the first place, or abandoning an app I paid good money for because it's a dead end.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 02:02 PM
Sorry I'm having trouble understanding this.
We have FCP 4.5. That's all, no Motion or DVD SP. But, according to the PDF, I send in FCP disks and $199 and I get back:
FCP 5.0
DVD Studio Pro
Soundtrack 2
Motion 2
Which means I get the whole Suite for $199. And it runs fine on a Powermac G5 (Universal is for BOTH Intel and PPC). Sounds pretty good to me. I don't see where I have to have ALL the apps to get the whole SUITE for $199 or where I will have to shell out more to get the whole suit. In other words, if you ONLY have DVD SP and send the disks and money in you get the Universal DVD SP AND all the other programs. If that's true, why are we complaining?
Now, if I'm wrong please point out the wording otherwise. I do not see a down side of this (except for those wanting to keep their disks).
I'm just wondering if the return disks are needed so the new versions you get still will use your old license key.....
We have FCP 4.5. That's all, no Motion or DVD SP. But, according to the PDF, I send in FCP disks and $199 and I get back:
FCP 5.0
DVD Studio Pro
Soundtrack 2
Motion 2
Which means I get the whole Suite for $199. And it runs fine on a Powermac G5 (Universal is for BOTH Intel and PPC). Sounds pretty good to me. I don't see where I have to have ALL the apps to get the whole SUITE for $199 or where I will have to shell out more to get the whole suit. In other words, if you ONLY have DVD SP and send the disks and money in you get the Universal DVD SP AND all the other programs. If that's true, why are we complaining?
Now, if I'm wrong please point out the wording otherwise. I do not see a down side of this (except for those wanting to keep their disks).
I'm just wondering if the return disks are needed so the new versions you get still will use your old license key.....
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 02:51 PM
"If that's true, why are we complaining?"
I'm complaining because future upgrades will be more expensive for those of us using only one app.
Instead of getting STP 3 for $99, I'll have to shell out $299 for FCS3. Even though all the other apps will be sitting in the box, likely not even installed.
I'm complaining because future upgrades will be more expensive for those of us using only one app.
Instead of getting STP 3 for $99, I'll have to shell out $299 for FCS3. Even though all the other apps will be sitting in the box, likely not even installed.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:09 PM
Ahhh, I understand. Maybe they are trying to get you to to move to Logic....
Actually we rarely use STP, but if it is only $299 or $399 upgrade, it's still a deal - ever upgrade an Avid or Media 100? Whole reason are company uses FCP, their cheap! If they had invested in Avid we'd still be using version 6!
I'm not trying to get you riled up because I see your point. Since we use FCP and will definitely use DVD Pro whatever Apple charges for an upgrade will be worth it. If the same price for just Soundtrack.....yea, I'm not sure it is worth it (because you can't sell off the other programs.)
That makes me wonder if the programs may use all the same license key?
Actually we rarely use STP, but if it is only $299 or $399 upgrade, it's still a deal - ever upgrade an Avid or Media 100? Whole reason are company uses FCP, their cheap! If they had invested in Avid we'd still be using version 6!
I'm not trying to get you riled up because I see your point. Since we use FCP and will definitely use DVD Pro whatever Apple charges for an upgrade will be worth it. If the same price for just Soundtrack.....yea, I'm not sure it is worth it (because you can't sell off the other programs.)
That makes me wonder if the programs may use all the same license key?
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:25 PM
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The other developers are going to make us upgrade to the next full version of their applications before they give us universal.
The other developers are going to make us upgrade to the next full version of their applications before they give us universal.
How do you know this. As far as I know Adobe has not announced anything, QuarkXpress has always gauged it's customers just like MS, so no surprise there. What I am mostly concerned with is Adobe, since they hold the entire publishing market of applications, print and web.
I have to agree that the price Apple is offering is very appealing. Specially for those that only have FCP.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:43 PM
"Maybe they are trying to get you to to move to Logic...."
I already HAVE logic. It's a totally different app, I use both for different things.
"Actually we rarely use STP, but if it is only $299 or $399 upgrade, it's still a deal"
Not really. Just because another company with a completely different sort of app overcharges, that doesn't make it a good deal.
I already HAVE logic. It's a totally different app, I use both for different things.
"Actually we rarely use STP, but if it is only $299 or $399 upgrade, it's still a deal"
Not really. Just because another company with a completely different sort of app overcharges, that doesn't make it a good deal.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 08:42 PM
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How do you know this. As far as I know Adobe has not announced anything
How do you know this. As far as I know Adobe has not announced anything
http://www.adobe.com...lmacsupport.pdf
Actually they HAVE announced it. Adobe just published a Q&A today on the Intel Macs. I'll spare you having to read through it all, but on pg. 2 of the document they have this:
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Q. Will Adobe update Adobe Creative suite 2, Studio 8, or individual applications, such as Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2, Illustrator CS2, Dreamweaver 8, Flash Professional 8, or After Effects 7.0, to be Universal applications?
A. No, Adobe does not plan to re-release current products as Universal applications that can run natively on both Intel- and PowerPC-based systems. This applies to Adobe Creative suite 2 and Studio 8, as well as individual applications such as Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2, Illustrator CS2, Acrobat 7.0 Professional, Dreamweaver 8, Flash Professional 8 and After Effects 7.0. Instead, we are focused on delivering the next versions of these products as Universal applications that will run natively on the new Intel-based Mac computers.
Q. Will Adobe update Adobe Creative suite 2, Studio 8, or individual applications, such as Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2, Illustrator CS2, Dreamweaver 8, Flash Professional 8, or After Effects 7.0, to be Universal applications?
A. No, Adobe does not plan to re-release current products as Universal applications that can run natively on both Intel- and PowerPC-based systems. This applies to Adobe Creative suite 2 and Studio 8, as well as individual applications such as Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2, Illustrator CS2, Acrobat 7.0 Professional, Dreamweaver 8, Flash Professional 8 and After Effects 7.0. Instead, we are focused on delivering the next versions of these products as Universal applications that will run natively on the new Intel-based Mac computers.
It goes on from there, but I think it's pretty obvious that if you currently own Adobe software and plan on getting an Intel based Mac, be prepared to shell out another upgrade fee
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 03:44 AM
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Basically, Apple is forcing me to make a $1300 purchase instead of just the $400 I had planned on. Asswipes.
Basically, Apple is forcing me to make a $1300 purchase instead of just the $400 I had planned on. Asswipes.
You know, longofest, you might try improving your reading skills first, then reading the last paragraph of the article again. That way you could save us all reading your pointless rants and save yourself calling others "ASSWIPES" merely due to your own apparent shortcomings.
But hey, shoot (rant) first and ask questions (use brain) later is a favorite here, apparently.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:36 AM
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Not being able to buy just the individual applications sucks. Some people are just sound designers and they don't need motion graphics. Some are just motion graphics professionals and don't need DVD authoring or editing.
Not being able to buy just the individual applications sucks. Some people are just sound designers and they don't need motion graphics. Some are just motion graphics professionals and don't need DVD authoring or editing.
I don't think it sucks that much, considering that Final Cut Studio costs about the same as a single pro application from anyone else.
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I wonder what the real reason is. I'm not believing the "Well, nobody is buying individual apps..."
I wonder what the real reason is. I'm not believing the "Well, nobody is buying individual apps..."
Why not? The last time I bought FCP standalone, was before the Studio package existed. Everybody I know has the studio, because it is such good value.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:49 AM
I don't think it sucks that much, considering that Final Cut Studio costs about the same as a single pro application
Whatever, dude. Being forced to pay for software you don't even need sucks.
Why not? The last time I bought FCP standalone, was before the Studio package existed. Everybody I know has the studio, because it is such good value.
It's a good value to the people who need those applications. For the people who don't, it's not a good value at all. To someone who only wants Motion 2 to supplement After Effects, $299 was a better value.
Don't be a Mac zealot. Not giving us the choice sucks. Even Microsoft allows me to buy just Word. Adobe allows me to buy just Photoshop.
Whatever, dude. Being forced to pay for software you don't even need sucks.
Why not? The last time I bought FCP standalone, was before the Studio package existed. Everybody I know has the studio, because it is such good value.
It's a good value to the people who need those applications. For the people who don't, it's not a good value at all. To someone who only wants Motion 2 to supplement After Effects, $299 was a better value.
Don't be a Mac zealot. Not giving us the choice sucks. Even Microsoft allows me to buy just Word. Adobe allows me to buy just Photoshop.
