[montgomery_burns]

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Boot Camp provides the basic drivers for audio, video, Bluetooth, AirPort, Ethernet, and keyboard and mouse.

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Will Windows Vista use the same drivers as Windows XP? If not, then will Apple provide updated Boot Camp drivers for people doing a clean installation of Vista?

[tmedia1]

"Besides, why the opposition to security software when you can run some decent packages (like Grisoft) at no charge?"
2 reasons come to mind:
1) Significant performance slowdown on any PC I've ever loaded security software on.
2) The annoying pop ups that accompany security software, always seems to happen when I'm in the middle of a presentation.

[tallscot]

You'll want XP Pro for a dual core processor. Home won't do SMP.

[Nobody]

I found this story interesting, and while I don't own a "MacIntel" and I have no intention of every buying one because: 1) I have no intension of taking two steps backwards, I feel Apple should have stayed with PPC or even the Cell Processor, 2) I've read way too many online letters from actual uses that have some major complaints with the quality; still I am curious as I own both PC's with Windows XP and 2K, as well as my 6 Macs in my small business.
From reports I've read on other sites like macfixit and others, the Boot Camp release has the "usual suspect bugs" that Apple is notorious for releasing in a "hurry" and letting us buyer be the testers, rather than Apple doing a COMPETANT testing job.
So, I would say that I'd summerize the title of this article with an answer of "Duck 'n Hide". /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[griffman]

"From reports I've read on other sites like macfixit and others, the Boot Camp release has the "usual suspect bugs" that Apple is notorious for releasing in a "hurry" and letting us buyer be the testers, rather than Apple doing a COMPETANT testing job."
Say what? Boot Camp is a beta. Apple warns you there may be issues. Apple tells you not to install i t on a production machine. Apple tells you to back up your data before you do try it. What more could they possibly do?
With all that said, I've been using Boot Camp since day one, and have yet to experience a single crash or glitch related to its operation. Seems pretty darn stable to me, especially for a beta.
-rob.

[jamesbond007]

Just one thing: It is possible to use an upgrade version of Windows XP if you have a PC and a Windows 95 or Windows 98 CD lying around. You can burn a new XP CD consisting of the Windows XP installation CD and the Windows 95/98 files that will let you get past the upgrade requirement. Save some money if you have to buy Windows XP since the upgrade version is about half the price of the full version.
I do not have an Intel Mac yet so I have not tested it on a Mac. But I made one for use on VMware Workstation on my PC and it successfully got past the upgrade check by pressing the ENTER key (meaning there was no need to swap CDs). I suppose such a CD will also work for the Windows XP installation under Boot Camp.

[wesley96]

From third page:
"While Virtual PC may not run on an Intel-based Mac, there are plenty of similar programs that do. They include Parallels Workstation, Q, and WinTel. However, theyre all under various stages of development and have some serious quirks about them. The good news is, these programs tend to run Windows much faster than Virtual PC did, because they dont need to emulate the Intel processor used by Windows!"
This paragraph is partially incorrect. Currently, only Parallels Workstation is a true virtualization, i.e. processor is not emulated. Both Q and WinTel need to emulate the CPU (it emulates a Pentium II), and as a consequence, performs about as well as Virtual PC on PPC Mac of comparable clockspeed. Q has the virtualization kext in the works, and since the QEMU side of WinTel is basically a direct rip-off of Q, we may see those two becoming a virtualization solution in the coming months, but it isn't the case yet. If you actually TRIED those software yourselves you'd immediately be aware of the differences.

[Jon Seff]

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Newegg has a number of XP choices. Will any of these work Peter?
Why would the Pro retail be the cheapest??
Retail Pro $97
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16837116194

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That's an upgrade, not a full product. I don't believe you can use an upgrade version with Boot Camp.

[marcotor]

Altho I would think most Mac users loading WinXP on their boxes already know this, STAY away from the Google tools. Ordinary, and there is better free software out there that does not add the bloat as Norton AV has become a bloated pile of junk on the Win platform.
There are many capable AV software solutions for Win that are smaller and faster than the once-useful NortonAV. AVG is free, Nod32 is not expensive, TrendMicro makes a good AV and all are light-years better than anything from Symantec.
Simple to download free protection, that is better than anything Google offers.
AVG Free
SpywareBlaster
Spybot S&D
Firefox (unless you MUST have Active-X)
Use IFranView32 for images.
Works, works, works. Uses little overhead, and all can be scheduled to run in the backround. And of course, use "best practices" for web surfing with WinXP. (WinUpdate requires IE and Active-X, and avoid any other site that does).

[MacTel]

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STAY away from the Google tools

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Dell may lose business due to their bundling of the Google Desktop and toolbar. I don't know which one of the apps installs it, but there's an IE redirector (maybe they have one for Firefox too) loaded on all new Dells. Certain URLs get redirected to a Google site. Dell isn't very bright in allowing this as you type in Dell.com and get a Dell site hosted by Google without any links to their store. After being [filtered]-off about the redirector my boss wanted to dump Dell for someone else.
Let's hope Apple doesn't bundle Google crap. I've personally banned anything Google. I use Yahoo and their toolbar without any intrusive Yahoo apps being installed.

[jamesbond007]

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That's an upgrade, not a full product. I don't believe you can use an upgrade version with Boot Camp.

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You can burn a new XP CD by combining the contents of an XP upgrade CD and a Windows 95 or Windows 98 CD (I use Windows 95), by using a PC with Nero Burning Rom. Although I have not tested it on an Intel Mac (since I do not have one yet), the CD does enable me to get past the upgrade requirement (by just pressing ENTER) when I install Windows XP using that CD on a PC and on VMware Workstation on my PC.
I suppose my CD should also work under Boot Camp. And some folks in the Apple Discussions forum have reported success in following this method.

[pln]

Actually, you don't need a PC to slipstream to a disk image, but you may need one to burn CD for installing on Boot Camp. I haven't tried that (since I haven't actually installed Boot Camp yet so I don't know if burning from the iMac will work), but it should be easy to borrow the use of a PC for a few minutes if that's needed.
I slipstreamed SP2 onto an SP1 windows by doing this:
1 Installed Parallels.
2 Installed SP1 Windows VM.
3 Copied Win XP disk onto VM hard drive.
4 Downloaded nlite from www.nliteos.com onto VM.
5 Downloaded SP2 installer from Microsoft onto VM. I also downloaded as many of the standalone hotfixes and security updates as I could find.
6 Started nlite and followed the steps for slipstreaming SP2 into the directory created in step 3. Also added the hotfixes and security update.
7 Burned a bootable ISO.
8 Used ISO to install SP2 WinXP on another VM to make sure it worked. It did!
Steps 3 to 8 are exactly the same as the easiest way to slipstream on a PC. The only step I didn't do was to try to burn the ISO to a CD. I might do that later if I decide to install Boot Camp, but for Parallels, it's not needed.
Edit: I should have made it clear though, it's not legal to have two Windows installs using one licence either in Parallel VMs or Parallels and Boot Camp. You need to remove the first install if you do what I did.
Also, you do not need to activate Windows immediately, so if you screw things up you're not using up an activation key. You have 30 days to activate it, so you can (legally I hope) borrow a Windows install disk and play about with it for up to 30 days before you have to get a licence. This way, you can determine if running Windows is for you.
Edit 2: Thinking about this, I see no reason why using Disk Utility on the iMac to burn an ISO built in a VM wouldn't work. The work (described in the slipstreaming guide you link to) that's involved in creating the boot disk is done by nlite. Moving the ISO from the VM to the iMac is easy with a SMB share.

[MacNEarney]

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why bother creating a WinXPSP2 CD with the needed Windows 95/98/NT/Win2K files? When you install the upgrade version of WinXPSP2, it will ask if you want to read an older OS's (licensed) CD. Once it verifies it, put your Win2XPSP2 disk back in again and keep going. Like I prefaced - did I miss something?

[Fuper]

Speaking of right clicking:

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If youre using a MacBook Pro, or future Intel laptop, for instance, youll find you cant right click, which is a key action in Windows.

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I assume this means only that "you cant right click when booted into Windows, which is a key action in this OS."