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Huh, me and insane??? Did I criticizes ANY of the new 17" features? That would indeed be insane /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
SmartCards in some form are a GREAT way for authenticated access, and are standard now for most DoD installations. I could care less about fingerpring authenticators as they are currently implemented.
I think it is a great machine and I will be the first to defend it.
Also, this baby beats the the Dell E1705 in terms of both features and price /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Apple introduces 17-inch MacBook Pro
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 02:00 PM
A smartcard is a hardware token that incorporates one or more integrated circuit (IC) chips to implement cryptographic functions and that possesses some inherent resistance to tampering.
In other words, it is one of those cards (often about the size of a credit card, but also sometimes in an SD format) with electronic contact pads, which has encrypted information, which is often protected through RSA, etc.. They are normally used with a PIN or password, and are more secure than one-time use passwords (or so the claim goes). The smartcard actually holds substantial amounts of encrypted information.
In other words, it is one of those cards (often about the size of a credit card, but also sometimes in an SD format) with electronic contact pads, which has encrypted information, which is often protected through RSA, etc.. They are normally used with a PIN or password, and are more secure than one-time use passwords (or so the claim goes). The smartcard actually holds substantial amounts of encrypted information.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the 68 watt-hour battery is the same form-factor as the one in the MacBook Pro 15". I would love a larger battery for my 15" MacBook Pro. I plan on buying an additional battery so a larger one would be welcome.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 03:31 PM
I need a 12" Powerbook with the same features - especially Firewire 800. When I am away from my desk the 12" screen is enough. I hook up my Powerbook to a lovely eizo lcd when I am in the office. The whole point for buying a Powerbook is mobility and carrying around a 17" laptop won't be much of a joy.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 05:55 PM
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For example, the typical 15" Wintel notebook computer is almost invariably LESS expensive than a 12" counterpart. The smaller you go, the higher the price. But with Apple it's the other way around.
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Keep in mind that the typical 15" Wintel notebook is huge, heavy, and klunky, whereas the 12" models are ultralight subnotebooks. Apple tends to use the same sleek, lightweight design for all its pro notebooks. So there's no price premium for "buying small."
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For many people an Intel processors means lower prices. For the Mac User it has so far meant higher prices.
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How do you figure? The 17" MacBook Pro is less expensive than the 17" PowerBook was. The Intel Mac mini is less expensive than the previous version once you control for the additional features in the new model.
For example, the typical 15" Wintel notebook computer is almost invariably LESS expensive than a 12" counterpart. The smaller you go, the higher the price. But with Apple it's the other way around.
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Keep in mind that the typical 15" Wintel notebook is huge, heavy, and klunky, whereas the 12" models are ultralight subnotebooks. Apple tends to use the same sleek, lightweight design for all its pro notebooks. So there's no price premium for "buying small."
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For many people an Intel processors means lower prices. For the Mac User it has so far meant higher prices.
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How do you figure? The 17" MacBook Pro is less expensive than the 17" PowerBook was. The Intel Mac mini is less expensive than the previous version once you control for the additional features in the new model.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:05 PM
Sony and Toshiba laptops are known for being the worst laptops to take apart, with complicated disassembly procedures and parts that are easily damaged when removed. I've heard of PC technicians who actively refuse to service these laptops because they are so difficult for technicians to take apart. How do these new Apple laptops compare? How would Mac users like it if an Apple technician refused to repair a Mac laptop in the shop, and insisted on shipping it out to the manufacturer for 2 weeks or longer? How would business customers who depend on their laptops feel about it?
Some laptop manufacturers sell extended warranties which promise on-site service, even though there is no hope of repairing the laptop in a customer's home or office within the 1 hour time slot. How would customers feel if they purchased such a warranty, placed a service call, was told to wait at home from 9 am to 4 pm, and when the technician finally shows up, he tells the customer that the laptop repair can't be done on site because it's too complicated and difficult to take apart?
Some laptop manufacturers sell extended warranties which promise on-site service, even though there is no hope of repairing the laptop in a customer's home or office within the 1 hour time slot. How would customers feel if they purchased such a warranty, placed a service call, was told to wait at home from 9 am to 4 pm, and when the technician finally shows up, he tells the customer that the laptop repair can't be done on site because it's too complicated and difficult to take apart?
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:46 PM
The 15" MacBook Pro should have remained 1" thin, then you could have retained FW800 and the DL DVD Burner. That was a big blunder, as well as the stupid name, which most people still hate. At least the 17" didn't make the same mistakes as the 15". Let's just see how reliable the 17" is. The 15" is apparently already on a Rev D motherboard hoping to fix the display problems and the CPU whine.
PowerBook G4 12" was pretty much worthless when you can get the same for less with the iBook 12". I think the only real difference was mini-DVI vs. VGA. If that wasn't a concern, most people saved money with the iBook. The speed between the two wasn't really noticable. Also, 1024x768 just seems so small these days after looking at a Widescreen.
Still that lame name. Macintosh PowerBook Pro would have been a better choice. People would then say they have a PowerBook Pro. Didn't Apple learn when they named a computer Centris and everyone barked back that a 68040 Mac is a Quadra! 8 months later Centris quickly became Quadra. Hey Apple, bring back PowerBook! I can only imagine the dumb name they will come up with to replace the Power Macs. They didn't drop iMac, and it appears the rumor sites are wrong as the iBook will retain its name.
Also, the person that believes Photoshop CS runs faster in Rosetta Emulation, than natively on the PowerBook G4 is misinformed. Read the reviews. The MacBook Pro is a snail running Photoshop in emulation. The PowerBook G4 scored 1 min 34 sec vs the MacBook Pro 2 GHz at 2 min 41 sec. Anyone upgrading to a MacBook Pro to run Photoshop will be very disappointed.
Just like the 680x0 to PowerPC transition, these "Pro" level machines are not ready for prime-time yet.
PowerBook G4 12" was pretty much worthless when you can get the same for less with the iBook 12". I think the only real difference was mini-DVI vs. VGA. If that wasn't a concern, most people saved money with the iBook. The speed between the two wasn't really noticable. Also, 1024x768 just seems so small these days after looking at a Widescreen.
Still that lame name. Macintosh PowerBook Pro would have been a better choice. People would then say they have a PowerBook Pro. Didn't Apple learn when they named a computer Centris and everyone barked back that a 68040 Mac is a Quadra! 8 months later Centris quickly became Quadra. Hey Apple, bring back PowerBook! I can only imagine the dumb name they will come up with to replace the Power Macs. They didn't drop iMac, and it appears the rumor sites are wrong as the iBook will retain its name.
Also, the person that believes Photoshop CS runs faster in Rosetta Emulation, than natively on the PowerBook G4 is misinformed. Read the reviews. The MacBook Pro is a snail running Photoshop in emulation. The PowerBook G4 scored 1 min 34 sec vs the MacBook Pro 2 GHz at 2 min 41 sec. Anyone upgrading to a MacBook Pro to run Photoshop will be very disappointed.
Just like the 680x0 to PowerPC transition, these "Pro" level machines are not ready for prime-time yet.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:07 PM
Hi
Originally posted by montgomery_burns
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Sony and Toshiba laptops are known for being the worst laptops to take apart, with complicated disassembly procedures and parts that are easily damaged when removed. I've heard of PC technicians who actively refuse to service these laptops because they are so difficult for technicians to take apart. How do these new Apple laptops compare? How would Mac users like it if an Apple technician refused to repair a Mac laptop in the shop, and insisted on shipping it out to the manufacturer for 2 weeks or longer? How would business customers who depend on their laptops feel about it?
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I understand your complaint but you did forget two things. iBooks and Al PowerBooks / MacBooks aren't exactly easy. The biggest problem, tabs. The clamshell [iBooks] are very frustrating. Apple required all AASPs to send iBooks back to the factory for service for some time. I'm not aware if they still do it but they finally provide service manuals, so maybe not.
First biggest thing to watch out for, ... are tabs. Tricky little bs, they are.
Second...those orange data ribbons. Those things tear the easiest I've seen anything. A light sneeze going the wrong direction could probably rip them. Thing being is they are used to attach the trackpad to the logic board and therefore many forget and destroy them when removing the trackpad / top case.
hillstones...They dropped PowerBook and likely will drop Power Mac because Apple named them this way when they switched to the PowerPC microprocessor. These machines no longer encase the PowerPC microprocessor and therefore is where they need a name change. While I agree MacBook sounds pretty dumb, it's here to stay. As far as the iBook name, hard to say, it's probably 50 / 50 chance.
Originally posted by montgomery_burns
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Sony and Toshiba laptops are known for being the worst laptops to take apart, with complicated disassembly procedures and parts that are easily damaged when removed. I've heard of PC technicians who actively refuse to service these laptops because they are so difficult for technicians to take apart. How do these new Apple laptops compare? How would Mac users like it if an Apple technician refused to repair a Mac laptop in the shop, and insisted on shipping it out to the manufacturer for 2 weeks or longer? How would business customers who depend on their laptops feel about it?
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I understand your complaint but you did forget two things. iBooks and Al PowerBooks / MacBooks aren't exactly easy. The biggest problem, tabs. The clamshell [iBooks] are very frustrating. Apple required all AASPs to send iBooks back to the factory for service for some time. I'm not aware if they still do it but they finally provide service manuals, so maybe not.
First biggest thing to watch out for, ... are tabs. Tricky little bs, they are.
Second...those orange data ribbons. Those things tear the easiest I've seen anything. A light sneeze going the wrong direction could probably rip them. Thing being is they are used to attach the trackpad to the logic board and therefore many forget and destroy them when removing the trackpad / top case.
hillstones...They dropped PowerBook and likely will drop Power Mac because Apple named them this way when they switched to the PowerPC microprocessor. These machines no longer encase the PowerPC microprocessor and therefore is where they need a name change. While I agree MacBook sounds pretty dumb, it's here to stay. As far as the iBook name, hard to say, it's probably 50 / 50 chance.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:29 PM
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I believe they call it a luggable with a strain-strap to go over your shoulder.
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"Luggable?" I think you're referring to this one.
I believe they call it a luggable with a strain-strap to go over your shoulder.
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"Luggable?" I think you're referring to this one.
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 01:57 AM
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PowerBook G4 12" was pretty much worthless when you can get the same for less with the iBook 12". I think the only real difference was mini-DVI vs. VGA.
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Although the 12" PowerBook was indeed a glorified iBook, the above doesn't give it enough credit. Comparing the most recent 12" versions of the iBook and PowerBook G4 lines, the PowerBook had a number of minor advantages that, when added together, made it a significantly better machine, in my opinion:
Better screen (same resolution, but brighter and better overall image quality)
Faster processor
Faster system bus
Faster SuperDrive
Lighter weight and slightly smaller overall size
Better graphics card with more VRAM
Extended desktop ("screen spanning") support
Audio-in jack
Slightly better speaker system
On the other hand, the iBook had a higher memory capacity (1.5GB vs. 1.25GB).
PowerBook G4 12" was pretty much worthless when you can get the same for less with the iBook 12". I think the only real difference was mini-DVI vs. VGA.
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Although the 12" PowerBook was indeed a glorified iBook, the above doesn't give it enough credit. Comparing the most recent 12" versions of the iBook and PowerBook G4 lines, the PowerBook had a number of minor advantages that, when added together, made it a significantly better machine, in my opinion:
Better screen (same resolution, but brighter and better overall image quality)
Faster processor
Faster system bus
Faster SuperDrive
Lighter weight and slightly smaller overall size
Better graphics card with more VRAM
Extended desktop ("screen spanning") support
Audio-in jack
Slightly better speaker system
On the other hand, the iBook had a higher memory capacity (1.5GB vs. 1.25GB).
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:07 AM
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They dropped PowerBook and likely will drop Power Mac because Apple named them this way when they switched to the PowerPC microprocessor. These machines no longer encase the PowerPC microprocessor and therefore is where they need a name change.
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Remember, the original Powerbooks used Motorola 68k processors. So what would be a good name for an Intel Mac tower?
They dropped PowerBook and likely will drop Power Mac because Apple named them this way when they switched to the PowerPC microprocessor. These machines no longer encase the PowerPC microprocessor and therefore is where they need a name change.
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Remember, the original Powerbooks used Motorola 68k processors. So what would be a good name for an Intel Mac tower?
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:22 AM
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I understand your complaint but you did forget two things. iBooks and Al PowerBooks / MacBooks aren't exactly easy. The biggest problem, tabs. The clamshell [iBooks] are very frustrating. Apple required all AASPs to send iBooks back to the factory for service for some time. I'm not aware if they still do it but they finally provide service manuals, so maybe not.
First biggest thing to watch out for, ... are tabs. Tricky little bs, they are.
Second...those orange data ribbons. Those things tear the easiest I've seen anything. A light sneeze going the wrong direction could probably rip them. Thing being is they are used to attach the trackpad to the logic board and therefore many forget and destroy them when removing the trackpad / top case.
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If what you say is true, would Apple technicians even want to service those laptops in the shop, even if the service manuals were available? I can imagine technicians shipping those things out to the factory simply because they don't want to deal with the hassle. And how about those on-site service plans? Could these laptops really be taken apart and repaired in a customer's home within a limited time slot? As a customer, I don't want a company selling me a service plan that they can't fulfill.
If servicing Apple laptops is as bad as you say, then I hope all technicians will stop repairing Apple laptops, and just start shipping all laptops to Apple for all repairs, causing customer service to suffer. Hopefully that might teach Apple a lesson so they don't become another Sony or Toshiba.
I understand your complaint but you did forget two things. iBooks and Al PowerBooks / MacBooks aren't exactly easy. The biggest problem, tabs. The clamshell [iBooks] are very frustrating. Apple required all AASPs to send iBooks back to the factory for service for some time. I'm not aware if they still do it but they finally provide service manuals, so maybe not.
First biggest thing to watch out for, ... are tabs. Tricky little bs, they are.
Second...those orange data ribbons. Those things tear the easiest I've seen anything. A light sneeze going the wrong direction could probably rip them. Thing being is they are used to attach the trackpad to the logic board and therefore many forget and destroy them when removing the trackpad / top case.
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If what you say is true, would Apple technicians even want to service those laptops in the shop, even if the service manuals were available? I can imagine technicians shipping those things out to the factory simply because they don't want to deal with the hassle. And how about those on-site service plans? Could these laptops really be taken apart and repaired in a customer's home within a limited time slot? As a customer, I don't want a company selling me a service plan that they can't fulfill.
If servicing Apple laptops is as bad as you say, then I hope all technicians will stop repairing Apple laptops, and just start shipping all laptops to Apple for all repairs, causing customer service to suffer. Hopefully that might teach Apple a lesson so they don't become another Sony or Toshiba.
