[ladyuser101]

You're absolutely right. My statement was too broad. Laws are different everywhere. I have had several occasions to interact with the courts in Louisiana and there are important differences there. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
macnuke wrote, i did state I don't share..
I wonder if this stems from kindergarten. Did your report card say, "Does not share." /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[macnuke]

I always have shared with the pretty girls

[ladyuser101]

macnuke wrote, the majority of my possessions are not mine..technically.
Well, dark eyed Louisiana boy, that means you have little to share with the pretty girls because, technically, you are broke.
Share this with me though.
I made duplicates of both my install disks for the computer and then erased/installed them to make sure they work. I'd like to save the disk images so I won't have to go through the process of making them again. Any suggestions about how to store them someplace available? I don't want to carry them with me when I travel and I already have an external firewire OS X boot drive.
Then, back to Mac The Ripper or Handbrake or ffmpegx or iSquint. I have one of Apple's video iPods. If I run those apps to convert a movie to something I can actually use (like a 700MB file on the iPod), what do you think of the legality of this shapeshifting? I don't necessarily have to remove any encryption, I guess. Can I just reduce the file size so it can be used on an iPod? I happen to have several Region 1 disks with me now and none of them have any notice on them about what equipment may be used to play them. In fact there is a notice that some features may not play on all DVD players. Can the iPod be considered a DVD player? Can the computer hard drive? I've seen some people play movies on the Sharp Zaurus PDA. Can the Zaurus be considered a DVD player? A cell phone (if it will play DVD files)?
I've put self produced movies on my iPod but I've never tried it with a region coded DVD. Won't Toast shrink the DVD for the iPod? How do you keep a copy of the reduced file as backup?

[macnuke]

errrr I have lots of toys to share.. I just don't "technically" own them, so the giving is easier heh heh.
best way to keep the images handy is on a disk in your fancy bag there ma'am.
barring that, I would stash them on my server space for the downloading when I needed em.
.mac has many uses
I would call the changing to ipod format "fair use". especially as Apple gives you the tools to do it so easily with QTP.
and I wouldn't worry about region in that format.. but then again, your iPod is prolly sync'd to your primary computer and it's primary residence when you first registered it.
technically, you set the region on DVDplayer.app, so there is a region set on it.
I don't "reduce" my owned DVD's. I copy them to a single sided DL DVD.
but for grins, I am going to make one for the ipod and see what I can come up with. I have a few commercial movies i bought that are in the 7.5G range. should be able to come up with something this week. unless perchance another steps in with current knowledge and skills to answer your question.
but "technically", if it doesn't have an optical drive to put the DVD in, it's not a DVD player.
computer...yes
PDA...no
cellphone...no

[ladyuser101]

Here is a proposed Fair Use law. Here is a Fair Use White Paper. The principles should clarify what is meant at least.
The usage of creative material interests me more than the electronic container that holds the digitized material.
When I buy an operating system like OS X, I am not buying the physical disk to use but the digitized creation held by the disk. It is expected that I would, in my usage, transfer the digitized creation from one container (the physical DVD disk) to another container (the physical hard drive). I am even allowed to change the digitized creation through the command line in Terminal and make a second copy on an external firewire hard drive.
The same thing happens with a movie DVD. The digitized creation is transfered from the physical DVD disk to RAM (including virtual RAM), cache, and so on so it may be presented on the screen. That's why a bright young man somewhere was able to save encrypted DVDs without actually breaking the encryption on them. The DVD playing software unencrypted the DVD and the file was captured directly from the computer itself.
macnuke wrote, "technically", if it doesn't have an optical drive to put the DVD in, it's not a DVD player.
I would think an optical drive is a DVD physical disk reader device and that it is the software like DVD player that determines whether a device is a DVD player. Of course, as Bill Clinton once said, that depends on what your definition of is is. Obviously, one must start with an optical drive and a physical DVD but an optical drive only reads the digital format so it can be converted to a usable format for the computer.
In any case, I'm running Handbrake on a DVD now. It breaks the encryption, as I've now discovered, and creates a file suitable for the iPod. Then, when it is finished in an hour and a half, I'll run QTPro to see what it does with the DVD.
Are we having fun yet?
Edit: I'm always impressed about how much there is to know in the world and how much of it I don't know.
There's not much to do while Handbrake does its thing so I mowed the lawn. Handbrake created a 722.5MB MP4 file for the iPod. I loaded Toast to see what it would do (burn) and registered QT player up to Pro to see what it would do (play and convert to various formats). The various software is not difficult to use. The only problem is getting everything into a file format that it will work with. I've had enough fun for today.

[macretiree]

You should read this article about the impact of DMCA on hardware and software. It comes with links to further reading.

[Nobody]

Laws/rules and (more to the point,) their intents seem clear enough. A variety of personal justifications that seem to pass for valid rationale are strengthened simply by lack of uniform enforcement. An example: vast majority of sates in US have similar maximum speed limits on their highways (Montana being a little different) but enforcement of the very same laws varies significantly even in various counties in each state, much less from state-to-state. And then there is a philosophical conundrum of legally buying and selling a radar detector, the sole purpose of such a device is to break speeding laws without getting caught!

[ladyuser101]

Alam, you took a wrong turn. That post goes here. You're speeding again.

[Nobody]

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Alam, you took a wrong turn.

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Not if I am interested in scenic routes!
[But not scenic enough to mistakenly find myself knocking on the doors of purple knickers club! ]

[macnuke]

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[But not scenic enough to mistakenly find myself knocking on the doors of purple knickers club! ]

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who knows, you just may be very welcome there

[Nobody]

Oh, but I do... because I am just not adventurous enough to let that ever happen!

[ladyuser101]

macnuke and Alam, I left you two alone before and you talked about dead animals and now your talking about purple bloomers. Whatever do you men do in your free time?
I ran across this quote I thought worth sharing.
Given a choice between dancing pigs and security, users will pick dancing pigs every time.
Gary McGraw and Edward Felten: Securing Java, ch1 pt 7
Okay so it doesn't apply to software ripping/copying. Here are some ideas I rounded up for thought.
Alam was not specific enough in his comment about legal intents (sic) to make a point. I think he ran off the road when he caught sight of purple bloomers. His post falls down since enforcement is not provided by the law.
I have often heard the concept of fair use claimed when copying software or bypassing technological controls but it is more appropriate to use the concept of first sale.
DRM is increasingly seen as protecting artistic works under copyright law.
Technology can be so restrictive that it disallows any fair use whatsoever by those who have hardware and media rights. Nothing about my computer hardware or media is modified in any way. It is normally functioning when encountering technological controls that are bypassed.
The DMCA resulted in cases that restrict computer engineering practices and chills the investigation of product design or flaws.
I personally like the freedom to tinker concept. In addition, changing the format or use of a copyrighted work for personal use falls within the four point description of fair use. Copying a personal copy which is taken out of use so the copy may be used may fall under the four point fair use but actually falls under first sale laws.
The problem with DMCA and DRM is that it is not time limited and resale is restricted. See the link above about conflicting rulings about the resale of software depending on where you live in the U.S.
It is unlikely anyone can show that DRM works to prevent criminal copying. In addition, identifying the legal purchaser as the infringer is unlikely.
HTH

[tchaten]

OKAY: Ripping your DVDs is just as legal as ripping your Music CDs there is no difference, just use your own DVDs and CDs for your own personal use and it is fine. People seem to think ripping DVDs are worse than your CDs, not true, 20 dollar cds, 20 or lower dvds the price is around the same and if it is for personal use it is fine!
Just my 2 cents

[Jokerboy649]

I just downloaded the ripper and is there any way to combine the downloaded files into 1 file? so when I watch it I only have to open 1 file instead of watching 1 section then opening another?