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Mr. Jobs:
I am watching the latest Jobs "WWDC 2006 Keynote Address".
You seem very happy here...but I am not in the least with what I am now hearing, considering I just shelled out $3,472.93 for my Quad G-5 PowerMac just a little over a month ago from mac Resource (06/29/06). "Apple is gaining market-share", eh? Well, I guess so... especially with customers like me to take advantage of.
In a previous keynote address last year (or it may have even been one from this year), Jobs said it would take 10 years or more to completely phase out the PowerMac/G5chips computers. Well, imagine my surprise when viewing he now says, "Today, the PowerMac is going to fade into history",....huh???
The Mac Pro, based on the brand new Xeon intel chips (or "Woodcrest") is now here! Well hip, hip, hoo-rah, Steve. All Mac Pros will now have "Quad Xeon performance". Oh yeah, that's right....try to make it all better by telling me "the product we're replacing it with is no slouch, the PowerMac G-5"....gee, I am feeling better already! But your spokesman goes on with even better news.....The Mac Pro is 2.1 times faster than my PowerMac G-5 Quad-core...great! Four hard drives now you say......wonderful! More front I/O, another USB port....terrific! Dual 2.66 GHz, 1 GB of RAM (when I only got 512 MB with my Powermac G5 Quad)...boffo!
OK, now here comes the kicker.....the price for this new "Mac Pro" $2,499.00.
Unlike you, I am not a rich man, Steve, and it was a real sacrifice to come up with that $3,472.93. I am and have been totally committed to Macs since the pre G-3 days, and was still glad to go ahead make this purchase at the time. I always want to find better and faster ways to supply my clients with high quality illustrations. However, I am feeling very ripped-off and totally dissatisfied with my recent purchase right now, due to the advent of this "great news". I could now be sitting in front of a 2.1 faster Mac, and even would have spent some extra money on extra memory (I had a $3,500.00 budget to work with...you do the math).
You say business has been great for Apple lately...fine, but this summer has not been so good to me and my architectural rendering business. In fact, I still won't even be able to use my Quad G5 PowerMac for the hi-test 3D graphics and 3D animations I wanted to do for my clients until I can afford to buy a whole heckuva lot more RAM than the paltry 512 MB I got with my purchase.
best regards,
Todd Tennant
TENNART ILLUSTRATIONS
e-mail: toddtennant@mac.com
BTW: Have any of the rest of you just shared this wonderful experience with me? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 02:54 PM
nothing like buyers remorse.
and it isn't like you weren't aware of the intel transition that was announced a year ago.
one G4 1.5Ghz 12" al powerbook.
two G5 iMacs.. 20" variety.
one G5 Dual Processor PowerMac.
all bought since the announcement.
all used daily.
all appreciated as they currently run Adobe natively.
all with zero remorse over how fast and smooth the transition went.
it's not like you can't use/profit/enjoy what you have for years to come.
and yes, the G5's will be included in the UB build of Leopard.
and yes, the support for PPC is going to be around for a good while as installed customer base is way too large for Apple or any of the major application players to ignore.
by the way.. your PM G5 will still spank the MacPro in many applications and tasks. and not just the ones running under Rosetta.
and smile.. the price of your RAM is still dropping. and i plan on adding another 2G to my G5 powermac soon.
enjoy your PM..
and as you didnt state which video card you have.. remember.,. most of the high end 3D is GPU and not CPU. it's not always your lack of memory. but real ram always rules.
and it isn't like you weren't aware of the intel transition that was announced a year ago.
one G4 1.5Ghz 12" al powerbook.
two G5 iMacs.. 20" variety.
one G5 Dual Processor PowerMac.
all bought since the announcement.
all used daily.
all appreciated as they currently run Adobe natively.
all with zero remorse over how fast and smooth the transition went.
it's not like you can't use/profit/enjoy what you have for years to come.
and yes, the G5's will be included in the UB build of Leopard.
and yes, the support for PPC is going to be around for a good while as installed customer base is way too large for Apple or any of the major application players to ignore.
by the way.. your PM G5 will still spank the MacPro in many applications and tasks. and not just the ones running under Rosetta.
and smile.. the price of your RAM is still dropping. and i plan on adding another 2G to my G5 powermac soon.
enjoy your PM..
and as you didnt state which video card you have.. remember.,. most of the high end 3D is GPU and not CPU. it's not always your lack of memory. but real ram always rules.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 02:58 PM
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Mr. Jobs:
I am watching the latest Jobs "WWDC 2006 Keynote Address".
You seem very happy here...but I am not in the least with what I am now hearing, considering I just shelled out $3,472.93 for my Quad G-5 PowerMac just a little over a month ago from mac Resource (06/29/06). "Apple is gaining market-share", eh? Well, I guess so... especially with customers like me to take advantage of.
In a previous keynote address last year (or it may have even been one from this year), Jobs said it would take 10 years or more to completely phase out the PowerMac/G5chips computers. Well, imagine my surprise when viewing he now says, "Today, the PowerMac is going to fade into history",....huh???
The Mac Pro, based on the brand new Xeon intel chips (or "Woodcrest") is now here! Well hip, hip, hoo-rah, Steve. All Mac Pros will now have "Quad Xeon performance". Oh yeah, that's right....try to make it all better by telling me "the product we're replacing it with is no slouch, the PowerMac G-5"....gee, I am feeling better already! But your spokesman goes on with even better news.....The Mac Pro is 2.1 times faster than my PowerMac G-5 Quad-core...great! Four hard drives now you say......wonderful! More front I/O, another USB port....terrific! Dual 2.66 GHz, 1 GB of RAM (when I only got 512 MB with my Powermac G5 Quad)...boffo!
OK, now here comes the kicker.....the price for this new "Mac Pro" $2,499.00.
Unlike you, I am not a rich man, Steve, and it was a real sacrifice to come up with that $3,472.93. I am and have been totally committed to Macs since the pre G-3 days, and was still glad to go ahead make this purchase at the time. I always want to find better and faster ways to supply my clients with high quality illustrations. However, I am feeling very ripped-off and totally dissatisfied with my recent purchase right now, due to the advent of this "great news". I could now be sitting in front of a 2.1 faster Mac, and even would have spent some extra money on extra memory (I had a $3,500.00 budget to work with...you do the math).
You say business has been great for Apple lately...fine, but this summer has not been so good to me and my architectural rendering business. In fact, I still won't even be able to use my Quad G5 PowerMac for the hi-test 3D graphics and 3D animations I wanted to do for my clients until I can afford to buy a whole heckuva lot more RAM than the paltry 512 MB I got with my purchase.
best regards,
Todd Tennant
TENNART ILLUSTRATIONS
e-mail: toddtennant@mac.com
BTW: Have any of the rest of you just shared this wonderful experience with me? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Mr. Jobs:
I am watching the latest Jobs "WWDC 2006 Keynote Address".
You seem very happy here...but I am not in the least with what I am now hearing, considering I just shelled out $3,472.93 for my Quad G-5 PowerMac just a little over a month ago from mac Resource (06/29/06). "Apple is gaining market-share", eh? Well, I guess so... especially with customers like me to take advantage of.
In a previous keynote address last year (or it may have even been one from this year), Jobs said it would take 10 years or more to completely phase out the PowerMac/G5chips computers. Well, imagine my surprise when viewing he now says, "Today, the PowerMac is going to fade into history",....huh???
The Mac Pro, based on the brand new Xeon intel chips (or "Woodcrest") is now here! Well hip, hip, hoo-rah, Steve. All Mac Pros will now have "Quad Xeon performance". Oh yeah, that's right....try to make it all better by telling me "the product we're replacing it with is no slouch, the PowerMac G-5"....gee, I am feeling better already! But your spokesman goes on with even better news.....The Mac Pro is 2.1 times faster than my PowerMac G-5 Quad-core...great! Four hard drives now you say......wonderful! More front I/O, another USB port....terrific! Dual 2.66 GHz, 1 GB of RAM (when I only got 512 MB with my Powermac G5 Quad)...boffo!
OK, now here comes the kicker.....the price for this new "Mac Pro" $2,499.00.
Unlike you, I am not a rich man, Steve, and it was a real sacrifice to come up with that $3,472.93. I am and have been totally committed to Macs since the pre G-3 days, and was still glad to go ahead make this purchase at the time. I always want to find better and faster ways to supply my clients with high quality illustrations. However, I am feeling very ripped-off and totally dissatisfied with my recent purchase right now, due to the advent of this "great news". I could now be sitting in front of a 2.1 faster Mac, and even would have spent some extra money on extra memory (I had a $3,500.00 budget to work with...you do the math).
You say business has been great for Apple lately...fine, but this summer has not been so good to me and my architectural rendering business. In fact, I still won't even be able to use my Quad G5 PowerMac for the hi-test 3D graphics and 3D animations I wanted to do for my clients until I can afford to buy a whole heckuva lot more RAM than the paltry 512 MB I got with my purchase.
best regards,
Todd Tennant
TENNART ILLUSTRATIONS
e-mail: toddtennant@mac.com
BTW: Have any of the rest of you just shared this wonderful experience with me? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Wow! What a drag! I feel for 'ya. My Quicksilver can barely run iMovie. Can I have your rig? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:14 PM
it's not like you can't use/profit/enjoy what you have for years to come.
and yes, the G5's will be included in the UB build of Leopard.
and yes, the support for PPC is going to be around for a good while as installed customer base is way too large for Apple or any of the major application players to ignore.
by the way.. your PM G5 will still spank the MacPro in many applications and tasks. and not just the ones running under Rosetta.
and smile.. the price of your RAM is still dropping. and i plan on adding another 2G to my G5 powermac soon.
Good to know these things. Thanks for that info, but I don't need you to tell me what I can "use/profit/enjoy what you have for years to come". I've been sold on Macs for years, as I had already stated.
tennart
and yes, the G5's will be included in the UB build of Leopard.
and yes, the support for PPC is going to be around for a good while as installed customer base is way too large for Apple or any of the major application players to ignore.
by the way.. your PM G5 will still spank the MacPro in many applications and tasks. and not just the ones running under Rosetta.
and smile.. the price of your RAM is still dropping. and i plan on adding another 2G to my G5 powermac soon.
Good to know these things. Thanks for that info, but I don't need you to tell me what I can "use/profit/enjoy what you have for years to come". I've been sold on Macs for years, as I had already stated.
tennart
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:16 PM
may i recommend www.apple.com/feedback
other than that, your rant is just that, a rant about buyers remorse when you knew the facts going into the purchase.
other than that, your rant is just that, a rant about buyers remorse when you knew the facts going into the purchase.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:29 PM
Well, that sucks. I feel for you.
Unfortunately, computer technology advances at a very fast rate - that means there will always something bigger, better , cheaper around the corner. People are already talking about waiting for the second revision Mac Pro which could have FOUR - dual-core processors around the end of the year. (maybe it's two quad-core, I can't keep up) But the point is the only way to avoid buying something that won't become "old" relatively quickly is to never buy anything.
I don't think you'll find anyone on the planet who will agree that Jobs said it would take ten years to phase out the PPC chip (this year or even last). What I disntinctly remember Jobs saying last year is it will take until the end of 2006 for the Intel migration to complete. They made it well ahead of schedule of course, but your very mistaken about 10 years. No computer company in the world would EVER predict what they'll be producing in 10 years.
I really wouldn't feel so bad though. You still have a couple of things going for you. The G5 Quad is still a screaming beast and that there are new machines now doesn't change that in the least.
Besides, the performance difference is not that wide. In fact, some things are close to equal or actually faster on the G5 Quad. You're an illustrator who uses Adobe Illustrator? At present, Illy will be MUCH faster on the G5 until Adobe releases the Universal Binary version. (UB = native on Intel). Adobe has stated that they won't ship UB versions of Creative Suite until "sometime in spring of 2007". That's a good 6 - 8 months.
In addition, you purchased a proven machine. The Mac Pros are not. Any bugs with the systems are yet to be known.
Also, if you can't afford RAM for the G5 you REALLY can't afford it for the Intel tower. It's more than twice the price! (closer to 2.5x actually)
Again, I feel for you but you ain't doing too bad. (I'd LOVE to have a Quad) I actually know a couple of people who are NOT buying a Mac Pro and going for the Quad.
However, in the future before buying, you might want to check a couple of forums (this one is good), and ask about any expected updates on your planned purchase. Here's a pretty good primer on anticipating what might be coming down the pike.
Unfortunately, computer technology advances at a very fast rate - that means there will always something bigger, better , cheaper around the corner. People are already talking about waiting for the second revision Mac Pro which could have FOUR - dual-core processors around the end of the year. (maybe it's two quad-core, I can't keep up) But the point is the only way to avoid buying something that won't become "old" relatively quickly is to never buy anything.
I don't think you'll find anyone on the planet who will agree that Jobs said it would take ten years to phase out the PPC chip (this year or even last). What I disntinctly remember Jobs saying last year is it will take until the end of 2006 for the Intel migration to complete. They made it well ahead of schedule of course, but your very mistaken about 10 years. No computer company in the world would EVER predict what they'll be producing in 10 years.
I really wouldn't feel so bad though. You still have a couple of things going for you. The G5 Quad is still a screaming beast and that there are new machines now doesn't change that in the least.
Besides, the performance difference is not that wide. In fact, some things are close to equal or actually faster on the G5 Quad. You're an illustrator who uses Adobe Illustrator? At present, Illy will be MUCH faster on the G5 until Adobe releases the Universal Binary version. (UB = native on Intel). Adobe has stated that they won't ship UB versions of Creative Suite until "sometime in spring of 2007". That's a good 6 - 8 months.
In addition, you purchased a proven machine. The Mac Pros are not. Any bugs with the systems are yet to be known.
Also, if you can't afford RAM for the G5 you REALLY can't afford it for the Intel tower. It's more than twice the price! (closer to 2.5x actually)
Again, I feel for you but you ain't doing too bad. (I'd LOVE to have a Quad) I actually know a couple of people who are NOT buying a Mac Pro and going for the Quad.
However, in the future before buying, you might want to check a couple of forums (this one is good), and ask about any expected updates on your planned purchase. Here's a pretty good primer on anticipating what might be coming down the pike.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:38 PM
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In a previous keynote address last year (or it may have even been one from this year), Jobs said it would take 10 years or more to completely phase out the PowerMac/G5chips computers. Well, imagine my surprise when viewing he now says, "Today, the PowerMac is going to fade into history",....huh???
In a previous keynote address last year (or it may have even been one from this year), Jobs said it would take 10 years or more to completely phase out the PowerMac/G5chips computers. Well, imagine my surprise when viewing he now says, "Today, the PowerMac is going to fade into history",....huh???
At the keynote for the 2005 WWDC, in San Francisco (June 6, 2005), Mr. Jobs clearly said that the entire Apple computer line would be using Intel chips by the end of 2006. Apple is not doing anything with the introduction of the Mac Pro that they didn't already promise to do by the end of this year (press release).
<edit> Sorry, it was at the MWSF, January 10, 2006 that Steve actually said the transition to Intel was ahead of schedule and would now be completed by the end of 2006, instead of end of 2007. </edit>
For me, the only (minor) surprise this past keynote was the simultaneous announcement of both the Intel Mac Pro and Xserve. I'd thought the XServe might still be a month or two away from making the switch.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:49 PM
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my i recommend [url]www.apple.com/feedback]/url]
other than that, your rant is just that, a rant about buyers remorse when you knew the facts going into the purchase.
my i recommend [url]www.apple.com/feedback]/url]
other than that, your rant is just that, a rant about buyers remorse when you knew the facts going into the purchase.
Yes, this is still America and I'll "rant" any time I feel like it.
If you don't like what I say, you just don't have to listen to(or read) it.
Yes, I knew about the Intel change-over, but NO, I did NOT know about everything else at the WWDC 2006 Keynote Address, including the reduced price and advanced features of the Mac Pros, and neither did my retailer.
...and since you keep bringing this up; stop claiming to know "what I knew".
Speak for yourself only, pal.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:58 PM
OK
so you are saying you dropped the big bucks on a Quad with zero research going into it and now stevie has hurt your feelings and your pocketbook by introducing new products and not telling you ahead of time..
now I understand /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
so you are saying you dropped the big bucks on a Quad with zero research going into it and now stevie has hurt your feelings and your pocketbook by introducing new products and not telling you ahead of time..
now I understand /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 04:06 PM
if Jobs were actually to read that, he would laugh at your grammer. and in your second paragraph you began to refer to Jobs and Jobs, even though you are writing to him...
and if you didnt think you would be able to do the 3d graphics, why did you get it. ALWAYS do as much research as possible before you buy something. common sense.
And of course the PowerMac is going to fade into history. thats kinda what happens when they stop making stuff and start a new model to replace it. and 10 years to phase out the powermac...im sure he would never say that. technically, the powermac still exists, just in a new name. and you also says that the new computer is "no slouch". well no duh, why would they release a computer thats crap?
so you can complain, but sending them this letter isn't going to do anything for you besides cost you postage...
and if you didnt think you would be able to do the 3d graphics, why did you get it. ALWAYS do as much research as possible before you buy something. common sense.
And of course the PowerMac is going to fade into history. thats kinda what happens when they stop making stuff and start a new model to replace it. and 10 years to phase out the powermac...im sure he would never say that. technically, the powermac still exists, just in a new name. and you also says that the new computer is "no slouch". well no duh, why would they release a computer thats crap?
so you can complain, but sending them this letter isn't going to do anything for you besides cost you postage...
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 05:07 PM
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Yes, this is still America and I'll "rant" any time I feel like it.
If you don't like what I say, you just don't have to listen to(or read) it.
Yes, I knew about the Intel change-over, but NO, I did NOT know about everything else at the WWDC 2006 Keynote Address, including the reduced price and advanced features of the Mac Pros, and neither did my retailer.
...and since you keep bringing this up; stop claiming to know "what I knew".
Speak for yourself only, pal.
tennart
Yes, this is still America and I'll "rant" any time I feel like it.
If you don't like what I say, you just don't have to listen to(or read) it.
Yes, I knew about the Intel change-over, but NO, I did NOT know about everything else at the WWDC 2006 Keynote Address, including the reduced price and advanced features of the Mac Pros, and neither did my retailer.
...and since you keep bringing this up; stop claiming to know "what I knew".
Speak for yourself only, pal.
tennart
Aww... I bought my PowerBook G4 about a month before the MacBook Pros were released for the same price, and supposedly 5x the speed. Do I feel ripped off? Not at all. I got the computer I paid for, with all the features and speed available at the time. The introduction of the MacBook Pros 20 days later in no way diminished the power or usefulness of my PowerBook. No matter when you choose to buy a computer, something faster for cheaper is always going to be right around the corner computer technology evolves very quickly.
If the computer you bought meets your needs, than it shouldn't matter an iota that faster computers now exist. If the system you bought does not meet your needs . . . well, that's really your own fault you should have done more research. Just be happy that you have a powerful new computer, and stop worrying whether it's fastest system available. There is absolutely no point in feeling bad that technology advances.
Finally, this webboard is for the seeking and sharing of advice regarding Mac Desktops, not for posting rants that don't seek solutions, so you can stop telling off people who try to respond to you. If you don't want commentary, than don't post to public forums.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 05:46 PM
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if Jobs were actually to read that, he would laugh at your grammer. and in your second paragraph you began to refer to Jobs and Jobs, even though you are writing to him...
if Jobs were actually to read that, he would laugh at your grammer. and in your second paragraph you began to refer to Jobs and Jobs, even though you are writing to him...
Reminds me something about glass houses and stones... not sure why! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
