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Posted 26 September 2006 - 11:42 PM
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 12:00 AM
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How many porn videos do you keep in your inbox? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
On a serious note...Are you talking about overall .Mac storage or email?
AFAIK, there is 1GB dispersible between the iDisk and email storage as one pleases.
I have mine set at 900MB -- Or would it be 924MB? -- iDisk and 100MB email.
How many porn videos do you keep in your inbox? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
On a serious note...Are you talking about overall .Mac storage or email?
AFAIK, there is 1GB dispersible between the iDisk and email storage as one pleases.
I have mine set at 900MB -- Or would it be 924MB? -- iDisk and 100MB email.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 07:22 AM
100 MB email? That's nothin. I've got 106 MB right now and that doesn't count my Macworld email and my website (both of which have separate accounts).
Overall, I'd just like more space in general for .Mac. I sync a ton of stuff because I throw everything in Yojimbo, so I want to make sure my iDisk has a lot of space.
It's about time Apple cranked up the storage a couple more GBs.
Overall, I'd just like more space in general for .Mac. I sync a ton of stuff because I throw everything in Yojimbo, so I want to make sure my iDisk has a lot of space.
It's about time Apple cranked up the storage a couple more GBs.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:08 AM
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:12 AM
Oh, I know you can't do anything. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
.Mac could emerge as a premier email provider with this upgrade. I think what's VERY interesting is the fact that the screenshot shows a Junk mailbox. Could this finally be server side junkmail filtering? I hope so.
.Mac could emerge as a premier email provider with this upgrade. I think what's VERY interesting is the fact that the screenshot shows a Junk mailbox. Could this finally be server side junkmail filtering? I hope so.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:29 AM
".Mac could emerge as a premier email provider with this upgrade.
For $100 (I presume) when others give away 2GB+ for free, sure why not! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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For $100 (I presume) when others give away 2GB+ for free, sure why not! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:45 AM
"For $100 (I presume) when others give away 2GB+ for free, sure why not!"
No doubt Derik and others at Macworld will differ with you on this, but I take your point. There are many resources on the web which outperform .Mac at almost every service it provides. I think .Mac was a dinosaur almost from its birth. Apple doesn't think big enough with the product, overcharges for it, needlessly constrains it for pricing purposes (with other Apple products), and it errs by making it Mac-only and thus proprietary.
I think Apple should make the service free to all Mac users, (that is, if it is to remain proprietary anyway). It should be considered as an online extension of the bundled iLife products. On the other hand, if Apple insists on continuing to maintain a charge for the service, it might think about making .Mac products worth using.
When the product first debuted (under the .Mac nomenclature), I found it to be a grossly underpowered tinker toy. Unfortunately, given where the industry has moved overall, I see no reason to change my characterization today.
No doubt Derik and others at Macworld will differ with you on this, but I take your point. There are many resources on the web which outperform .Mac at almost every service it provides. I think .Mac was a dinosaur almost from its birth. Apple doesn't think big enough with the product, overcharges for it, needlessly constrains it for pricing purposes (with other Apple products), and it errs by making it Mac-only and thus proprietary.
I think Apple should make the service free to all Mac users, (that is, if it is to remain proprietary anyway). It should be considered as an online extension of the bundled iLife products. On the other hand, if Apple insists on continuing to maintain a charge for the service, it might think about making .Mac products worth using.
When the product first debuted (under the .Mac nomenclature), I found it to be a grossly underpowered tinker toy. Unfortunately, given where the industry has moved overall, I see no reason to change my characterization today.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:47 AM
Ha? The big difference being of course that those services completely lack IMAP access. They don't have address books that can be synchronized with a Mac (or in some cases, a computer of any sort). Further offline access is completely out of the question (unless you want to use POP, and even that isn't always available and doesn't retain filing locations and state).
Edit: Just so it's clear my feelings on this, let me say I am sick and tired of the very tired "but Gmail gives you 2GB+ and it's free" argument. It's not clever anymore. For many people, Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail are great and wonderful. I really like to use Gmail for mailing lists. I moved my parents to it because it fits their needs and usage behavior. However, in many other areas, I find it woefully inadequate and those big weaknesses get completely ignored in lieu of remarks about how much storage they include (an attribute that for the overwhelming majority of users is utterly meaningless once you get out beyond 100 MB).
It's smart alecky and irritating to me personally.
Edit: Just so it's clear my feelings on this, let me say I am sick and tired of the very tired "but Gmail gives you 2GB+ and it's free" argument. It's not clever anymore. For many people, Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail are great and wonderful. I really like to use Gmail for mailing lists. I moved my parents to it because it fits their needs and usage behavior. However, in many other areas, I find it woefully inadequate and those big weaknesses get completely ignored in lieu of remarks about how much storage they include (an attribute that for the overwhelming majority of users is utterly meaningless once you get out beyond 100 MB).
It's smart alecky and irritating to me personally.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 10:11 AM
Then enlighten me. Here's what I need:
Have my local Address Book synced with the service.
Be able to use Mail.app.
Have offline access to my email.
Have the same folder hierarchy maintained across all my computers.
Name me the free service that'll do this (without unreliable hacks that could possibly break or cause me to lose data).
Have my local Address Book synced with the service.
Be able to use Mail.app.
Have offline access to my email.
Have the same folder hierarchy maintained across all my computers.
Name me the free service that'll do this (without unreliable hacks that could possibly break or cause me to lose data).
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 10:24 AM
"Be able to use Mail.app."
What's the big trick to this? Any POP or IMAP service will work with Apple's Mail (or with Mozilla's Thunderbird or any number of other mail applications).
"Have offline access to my email."
Again, this is a simple setting in many e-mail clients. If it's not an option in Apple's Mail, it's a shortcoming in the mail application itself and not anything special about the .Mac host.
I have staff persons who configure their mail clients on laptops to read mail offline (while it still remains on an IMAP server as well). This is not about "server magic" but just a user-configurable setting in mail software.
"Have the same folder hierarchy maintained across all my computers."
Just another way of saying IMAP support, right? Are you really suggesting that there are NO free IMAP hosts on the internet?
What's the big trick to this? Any POP or IMAP service will work with Apple's Mail (or with Mozilla's Thunderbird or any number of other mail applications).
"Have offline access to my email."
Again, this is a simple setting in many e-mail clients. If it's not an option in Apple's Mail, it's a shortcoming in the mail application itself and not anything special about the .Mac host.
I have staff persons who configure their mail clients on laptops to read mail offline (while it still remains on an IMAP server as well). This is not about "server magic" but just a user-configurable setting in mail software.
"Have the same folder hierarchy maintained across all my computers."
Just another way of saying IMAP support, right? Are you really suggesting that there are NO free IMAP hosts on the internet?
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 10:36 AM
Jeff, find me the mythical free 2 GB email service that does those things.
As for free IMAP hosts, I know of one Fastmail but the storage is far too little, web interface isn't very good, and still doesn't address my other needs.
You seem to have missed the intent of my list. I'm listing individual attributes, all of which I desire. I am well aware of what Mail.app is compatible with.
As for free IMAP hosts, I know of one Fastmail but the storage is far too little, web interface isn't very good, and still doesn't address my other needs.
You seem to have missed the intent of my list. I'm listing individual attributes, all of which I desire. I am well aware of what Mail.app is compatible with.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 12:12 PM
Well, Derik, enlightenment comes from within; if someone else has to do it for you, it only means you ain't there yet! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But until then, in spite of the fact that your list looks like an ad for .mac account along the lines of bid requirements by the government offices for granting contracts, which are nothing more than heavy duty ads for the specifc product they want to buy, did you try netscape account? I know that they used to support imap and I also know that their current capacity is now the mythical 2GB.
There was also some talk about Google contemplating the imap support in future but I don't know when it will happen.
Fortunately for me, one of the perks of the work I do, I have unlimited space for storage and my email supports imap, it could also be accessed through any number of email applications on any of my machines, or via citrix and there are no limits on the size of individual message to boot so, compared to all that, .mac account looks rather useless. I know, not every one has such accounts. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But until then, in spite of the fact that your list looks like an ad for .mac account along the lines of bid requirements by the government offices for granting contracts, which are nothing more than heavy duty ads for the specifc product they want to buy, did you try netscape account? I know that they used to support imap and I also know that their current capacity is now the mythical 2GB.
There was also some talk about Google contemplating the imap support in future but I don't know when it will happen.
Fortunately for me, one of the perks of the work I do, I have unlimited space for storage and my email supports imap, it could also be accessed through any number of email applications on any of my machines, or via citrix and there are no limits on the size of individual message to boot so, compared to all that, .mac account looks rather useless. I know, not every one has such accounts. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
