[pagmac]

Fair enough that it's an interesting article. Very interesting research.
But I also read it with some irritation that I had to flick to the unit conversion widget while I was reading it - long before I read the first comment on the topic. Speaking also as a human being, it's nice to be treated as a human being when we come here, and not like someone who should bow and scrape in appreciation that you have done something clever. And for the 'one third' of us human beings who don't live in the US, Fahrenheit measurements, along with pounds, feet and miles, are retarded.
It's hard for a whole country to change its measurement system (though nearly everyone except the US has managed it). But there is no reason at all for the computer industry to use outdated standards. The Internet is global. The global standard is metric.
Now that you guys in the country with 'two thirds' of the world have got rid of Rummy, couldn't you also get rid of the backward measurements? And also, couldn't you maybe treat the rest of the world as if it existed, rather than as people who are lucky to see what clever stuff you guys are doing?

[Peter Cohen]

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And for the 'one third' of us human beings

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"One-third of our Web audience who does not live in the United States."
Reading comprehension is tough, isn't it? Or were you just using polemics?

[ATPTourFan]

For me, the temp on the case isn't the issue so much as the fan noise. Obviously, fan noise is a function of core temperature and Apple's firmware settings. The amount of noise this whole process produces is what takes away from my concentration.
Through the MacWorld tests, was any data related to fan noise collected? Could this be something tested in future hardware releases?
Does anyone else agree with me about the noise vs. case temp issue?

[Jason Snell]

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Speaking also as a human being, it's nice to be treated as a human being when we come here, and not like someone who should bow and scrape in appreciation that you have done something clever.

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Nobody ever said you need to bow and scrape. However, this web site is written in the United States, by residents of the United States (except for Jim Dalrymple), and two-thirds of the readers of this site are based in the United States. As a result, if we have to pick, we pick the units used by the majority of our readers and writers.

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But there is no reason at all for the computer industry to use outdated standards. The Internet is global. The global standard is metric.

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And as I said, the moment that Apple starts making 39cm MacBook Pros and 43cm MacBook Pros and 34cm MacBooks, I'm on the metric train.
Note that I haven't said we'll never post anything in metric. The feedback from our readers in the rest of the world is useful and we'll consider it for future publication of temperature tests. But by bringing up Donald Rumsfeld out of the blue and accusing me of Ugly Americanism because I'm writing in the U.S. for a predominately U.S. audience, you do yourself and your point of view no favors at all.

[pagmac]

No, comprehension is not tough, but it usually includes looking at the intent of the writer. In this case the intent was to say a third of our audience lives outside the US, so they don't matter so much; and that the past user base is the only base worth thinking about. It's reasonable to infer that the author's general view was 'only a third of our web audience are here, so we don't care about the rest of the world's standards.'
But you go right ahead and flame away any readers who give you feedback, Peter. It's great to know you're not being distracted by minutiae like the readers' experience.
For what it's worth, it was a good article.

[Peter Cohen]

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But you go right ahead and flame away any readers who give you feedback, Peter.

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Constructive criticism is fine, and welcome. Polemics and pedantry are not, and neither is self-righteous indignation at being in the minority. It's really that simple.

[ATPTourFan]

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No, comprehension is not tough, but it usually includes looking at the intent of the writer. In this case the intent was to say a third of our audience lives outside the US, so they don't matter so much; and that the past user base is the only base worth thinking about. It's reasonable to infer that the author's general view was 'only a third of our web audience are here, so we don't care about the rest of the world's standards.'

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Again, they were comparing temperatures between product revisions. It's the delta between the two readings (no matter which temp standard was used) that is significant. Perhaps this is why Macworld did not bother to throw in the Celcius conversion, since the article is discussing the difference in temp between the two generations of MBPs.

[getzen]

Who needs numbers anyway? I propose the following expressive scale of temperature measurement:
Deep space cold
Frigid
Cold
Chilly
Cool
Room temperature
Tepid
Warm
Toasty
Hot
Blazing
Surface of the sun
No special equipment needed to gauge the temperature either -- just a finger. Sorry, the scale does use the English language. Non-english speakers will have to translate.
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[goldenbear]

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...Now that you guys in the country with 'two thirds' of the world have got rid of Rummy, couldn't you also get rid of the backward measurements? And also, couldn't you maybe treat the rest of the world as if it existed, rather than as people who are lucky to see what clever stuff you guys are doing?

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Sigh... Can we please leave the self-righteous political comments out of this forum?

[PeterG]

Hey Jason,
Did anyone ask if C could be included with F? (It might not be a bad idea)
Oh, by the way, when you enter the $ amount for products could you also convert to 's etc.............. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Peter /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BrianChen]

Fan noise is certainly a complaint I heard about more before Apple released the fan-adjusting firmware update. Did you run that update and still have problems?
If not, what are you running on your MacBook Pro when noise becomes an issue? Fan noise didn't seem to be a problem during testing, but I'm curious to try simulating your experience to look into it.

[MacCheetah3]

Hi
WOW!..Talk about degradation and diversion. Some just don't enjoy sticking to the topic, eh? One minor thing...Please keep the forums clear of garbage. If you have a constructive suggestion, please submit it in a much more constructive manner.
Anywho...
The article was good.

[Kees]

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In fact, my iStat Pro widget measures my computer's temps in Celsius - thus requiring me to convert.

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Uh, at least until you change the "degrees" preference to Fahrenheit.

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now why would you want to do something silly like that /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
seriously, as another metric-oriented reader, I glanced over the table, concluded that those numbers mean nothing to me except that all books were running at about the same temp and hit another bookmark.
I only came back to it because a friend's MacBook seems to run much hotter than my 12" PowerBook (1.33GHz)
I should probably do some real measuring, as from your tests, I'd have to guesstimate that's probably not the case.

[luna_moonraker]

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Not a defensive reply, just a statement of facts; we're a U.S. publication and therefore we prefer Fahrenheit. We might consider also listing them in C, for the one-third of our Web audience who does not live in the United States.

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Thanks for considering the idea. It would really help when reading the articles.

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Also, just speaking as a human being, when you go to the effort of doing some new testing that you haven't done before, directly as a result of requests from readers, and the first response you get is a complaint about units, it definitely doesn't put one in a positive frame of mind.

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I can appreciate that. I guess the comment and request simply reflected a frustration in not being able to easily understand what the table and figures meant, whereas normally your articles are very well presented, researched and easy to understand.

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The moment Apple starts referring to the 15-inch MacBook Pro as a 39cm MacBook Pro, though, I am going to give up imperial measurements altogether.

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I guess Apple are almost there in the use of the 'decimal inch' (make that the 15.4" display) /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif