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The point is 95% of humanity is sensibly metric, only the USA is still using the old NASA Mars impacting units. Making it hard for everyone else.
Still I understand that this makes the Mac laptops too hot to handle.
Now do I remember the one true Steve, telling us that lower temperatures was one of the big reasons Apple switched chips? Just another thing that eluded the mental probe?
Why are Mac laptops so susceptible when there are many other brands out there with the same hardware?
Hot or not: Measuring MacBook Pro temperatures
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 12:50 PM
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Why are Mac laptops so susceptible when there are many other brands out there with the same hardware?
Why are Mac laptops so susceptible when there are many other brands out there with the same hardware?
A lot of it has to deal with the PC laptops are a little bit thicker and have more fans. But the fact that it is thicker it puts more of the heat further away from you and they have a fan that blows the heat out from under the laptop as well, but that why they weigh more and don't look as good as the MBP.
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 01:11 PM
For what it's worth, I just spent a full week using the MacBook on my lap most of the time. It never got unbearably hot. Warm, yes. Hot, no. About the same as my 12" PowerBook G4. This is a big change, as it used to run too hot. The latest firmware update, though, seems to have made it much more usable as a true laptop.
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 03:02 PM
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Now do I remember the one true Steve, telling us that lower temperatures was one of the big reasons Apple switched chips? Just another thing that eluded the mental probe?
Now do I remember the one true Steve, telling us that lower temperatures was one of the big reasons Apple switched chips? Just another thing that eluded the mental probe?
He said that the newer Intel chips would provide lower temps and power consumption relative to processing power. In other words, a PowerPC chip comparable in performance to the Core 2 Duo in the MacBook Pro would be considerably hotter and use more power.
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 03:10 PM
Respectfully, WOW is right.
The article is about computers and how hot they can get with specificity. Which was fine by me.
The thread (from the beginning) was about why not use C with F. I was standing up for the F article.
Because so many were saying or jesting about the results "NOT" being in C, I thought why not add multiple denominations from different countries, heck if you really want to get into it why not tell Macworld to deliver their articles in multiple languages.
And it doesn't matter what I say because someone else will read it a different way.
Also, I didn't think asking about C in spec's with F was a bad idea. Considering the flow of the thread.
The article is about computers and how hot they can get with specificity. Which was fine by me.
The thread (from the beginning) was about why not use C with F. I was standing up for the F article.
Because so many were saying or jesting about the results "NOT" being in C, I thought why not add multiple denominations from different countries, heck if you really want to get into it why not tell Macworld to deliver their articles in multiple languages.
And it doesn't matter what I say because someone else will read it a different way.
Also, I didn't think asking about C in spec's with F was a bad idea. Considering the flow of the thread.
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 10:26 AM
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Apple laptops are hot items -- particularly when they're sitting on your lap. Does the recent switch to Core 2 Duo processors in Apple's high-end laptops do anything to help beat the heat? To find out, we broke out an infrared thermometer and put the machines to the test. <a href="/2006/11/firstlooks/mbptemps/index.php">[more]</a>
Apple laptops are hot items -- particularly when they're sitting on your lap. Does the recent switch to Core 2 Duo processors in Apple's high-end laptops do anything to help beat the heat? To find out, we broke out an infrared thermometer and put the machines to the test. <a href="/2006/11/firstlooks/mbptemps/index.php">[more]</a>
Okay guys, I chuckled, giggled, laughed and snorted about all the temperature jokes. Can we let it go now? I think Jason gets the message and perhaps the temps will be in both Centigrade and Farenheight next time around. I've lived all over the world and never got used to Celcius. Temperature and "how hot it 'feels' today" is such a subjective thing that even F can barely describe it for me.
NOW, can users actually chime in with some real world experiences regarding how much hotter they do or do not feel? I was disappointed that they were not dramatically cooler than the previous MacBook Pros.
Please, can current users of the very latest MBPs talk about their experiences. I'm curious how much faster they seem too.
cheers,
Mick
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 10:47 AM
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For what it's worth, I just spent a full week using the MacBook on my lap most of the time. It never got unbearably hot. Warm, yes. Hot, no. About the same as my 12" PowerBook G4. This is a big change, as it used to run too hot. The latest firmware update, though, seems to have made it much more usable as a true laptop.
-rob.
For what it's worth, I just spent a full week using the MacBook on my lap most of the time. It never got unbearably hot. Warm, yes. Hot, no. About the same as my 12" PowerBook G4. This is a big change, as it used to run too hot. The latest firmware update, though, seems to have made it much more usable as a true laptop.
-rob.
THAT's what I'm talking about! We all act as if temperature was a meausurable thing. HA! I can totally live with my lap telling me, "Hmm...this is warm, yes, but not unbearably hot. Keep away from the jewels and I will bear you another child." Thanks, Rob. Emprical meausurements are helpful, of course, but there is still much to be said for the subjective experience. I'd like to hear similar reports regarding how much faster the MBPs feel over the the previous 2 processors. Seriously.
And for you metric lovin' folk posting here, I really hear your frustration at not being able to grok F over C. But seriously, you guys need to get out more if this is the only place you have to vent your frustrations and turn it in to a socio-political dialogue. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I mean seriously . Get outside, breathe the air, make love to someone you love, and then come back, form an all-metric alliance and start translating those figures for the American based MacWorld team. I'm sure they'd post them if you did the work.
All of that energy put into flaming could be used to create a solution too. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
cheers,
Mick
P.S. Don't give up on us Jason, Rob and Dan. We really need you to keep doing what you're doing to get out as much objective information as possible about the products we may or may not purchase for our computing lives. Compared to the PC world, there is not nearly enough review and discussion about the Mac side of the equation. As the market grows, we hope your coverage will too. Thanks. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Posted 11 May 2007 - 04:59 PM
Since Nov 2006 I've had 4 macbook pro hard drives fail. The first two were Core Duo 2.33 ghz and then Apple replaced that machine with a C2D 2.33 ghz and two more have failed in the C2D. The Geniuses at Apple tell me I'm having bad luck. I think the heat is to blaim.
Is this possible?
I use a surge protector and I have two other laptops and two other external hard drives that work fine and are all on the same electrical circuits so it's not an electrical problem.
I rarely take my MBP out of my apt. It spends 90% of its time on my desk sitting on my iCurve. It is, however, my main computer and I use it quite a lot. Sometimes the computer will be on for days and days without sleeping because I am using it for bitTorrent file transfers (all legal, of course ).
You would think that a professional computer like the MBP would be able to handle being on for multiple days without shutting down or sleeping, right? Well, I'm convinced that the continual heat from the macbook 'oven' is too much for the hard drives to handle.
Am I crazy?
Is this possible?
I use a surge protector and I have two other laptops and two other external hard drives that work fine and are all on the same electrical circuits so it's not an electrical problem.
I rarely take my MBP out of my apt. It spends 90% of its time on my desk sitting on my iCurve. It is, however, my main computer and I use it quite a lot. Sometimes the computer will be on for days and days without sleeping because I am using it for bitTorrent file transfers (all legal, of course ).
You would think that a professional computer like the MBP would be able to handle being on for multiple days without shutting down or sleeping, right? Well, I'm convinced that the continual heat from the macbook 'oven' is too much for the hard drives to handle.
Am I crazy?
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 03:35 PM
I just had another hard drive failure! What is wrong with these computers!
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Posted 22 June 2007 - 08:17 AM
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I think you'll find that hotter is still hotter, even in Fahrenheit.
As an American publication and web site, we generally stick with units used in the United States.
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This is a website, and the purpose of websites is to extend availability of content to users across the world regardless of location. Furthermore, your "american publication" is distributed to non-american parts of the world, either through you or others.
An honestly how much more work is it for you to be the nice guy to type out the Celsius equivalents? Seems to me that someone is just plain lazy, lol
Not to mention that it looks quite unprofessional on your part, when Fahrenheit simply is not used in professional american contexts.
I think you'll find that hotter is still hotter, even in Fahrenheit.
As an American publication and web site, we generally stick with units used in the United States.
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This is a website, and the purpose of websites is to extend availability of content to users across the world regardless of location. Furthermore, your "american publication" is distributed to non-american parts of the world, either through you or others.
An honestly how much more work is it for you to be the nice guy to type out the Celsius equivalents? Seems to me that someone is just plain lazy, lol
Not to mention that it looks quite unprofessional on your part, when Fahrenheit simply is not used in professional american contexts.
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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:46 AM
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It would be so nice if this article also posted the results in degrees Celsius. For most of those outside of the US, this article means nothing to them.
Now I (and many others) have to sit down with a calculator to find out exactly what is hot and what is not.
Please update and provide in future.
Cheers, Andrew.
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Just as an idea for browser developers out there. Could you implement an automatic unit conversion feature in a browser? It could convert a range of units "on the fly" possibly including currency. There would be no need to hassle every individual website and article for conversion then.
It would be so nice if this article also posted the results in degrees Celsius. For most of those outside of the US, this article means nothing to them.
Now I (and many others) have to sit down with a calculator to find out exactly what is hot and what is not.
Please update and provide in future.
Cheers, Andrew.
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Just as an idea for browser developers out there. Could you implement an automatic unit conversion feature in a browser? It could convert a range of units "on the fly" possibly including currency. There would be no need to hassle every individual website and article for conversion then.
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Posted 22 June 2007 - 12:07 PM
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Not to mention that it looks quite unprofessional on your part, when Fahrenheit simply is not used in professional american contexts.
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As Jason noted in a later reply, we do take reader feedback into account and it's possible we may include Celsius numbers in the future. I personally agree that including Celcius conversions, if only for the Web versions of articles, might be a useful addition.
That said, with all due respect, I think the vast majority of Americans would disagree with your assertion that using Farenheit "looks quite unprofessional." This is a consumer magazine, not a scientific journal, and most American consumers think in degrees of Farenheit, not Celcius.
Not to mention that it looks quite unprofessional on your part, when Fahrenheit simply is not used in professional american contexts.
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As Jason noted in a later reply, we do take reader feedback into account and it's possible we may include Celsius numbers in the future. I personally agree that including Celcius conversions, if only for the Web versions of articles, might be a useful addition.
That said, with all due respect, I think the vast majority of Americans would disagree with your assertion that using Farenheit "looks quite unprofessional." This is a consumer magazine, not a scientific journal, and most American consumers think in degrees of Farenheit, not Celcius.
