[danmusician]

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"...Yeah, that is why it kills me when free market ideologues talk about the perfection of the "invisible hand" of the marketplace and the rationality of consumers and investors. Wall Street rational my a--. Ever heard of marketing and "analysis"?--hype that attempts to get our lizard brains doing lizard things. Captialism has its place, but the completely, unfettered libertarian variety is as much a religion based on faith as anything coming out of Rome, Mecca, or Jerusalem."
AMEN!

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I'm trying to understand the point, here. Do you mean that because a company tries to analyze the market place and hype demand is proof that "invisible hand" free market doesn't exist? Or is that Wall Street controls the market place?
It seems to me that both forces actually prove the free market model. If a company fails to create enough market hype, it's product fails. Enough failures, they're out of business. Wall Street puts its money where it thinks there is - or will be - success.
There is no central agency (ie: government) directing the market saying "this company will create cell phones" or "that company will create media players" regardless of what the market calls for.
Is that you think Wall Street is the central agency? It is called the stock "market" after all.

[tomtom]

Well said

[tomtom]

Well said also

[tomtom]

Well said also,also

[jpmhughes]

Dan, Dan, Dan,
You just had to go there didn't you.
Just to tempting to resist wasn't it.
Et tu, Brute...
Just kidding, if I wrote for macworld, I couldn't have resisted commenting on Mr. Kanellos' unfounded and IMHO off the mark comments.
At least you concluded the article with:

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Now how about we wait until some kind of iPhone is actually available and see what happens? (That includes me: Ill do my best not to take further part in the pre-release, pre-announce, pre-we-know-it-actually-exists speculation.)

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[adobephile]

As much as I love my 5G ipod, I don't like carrying both my iPod and my phone.
For one thing, I can't listen to music and listen effectively for a phone call at the same time. And I definitely can't listen to music while wearing my Bluetooth phone headset.
Though I've been lusting after a Treo 680 for its PDA features, I'd really love to have a device that did it all: music, phone, and PDA all in one. The music would stop when the phone rang, and I'd have stereo Bluetooth earbuds. And I could use the PDA while listening to music.
But what would Apple do for an OS for their smart phone? Perhaps that's what's taking them so long.
If they did it right, though, it'd mean yet another significant device to further round out their Digital Hub.
Why not a portable version of the popular iChat/iSight combo, otherwise called a picture or video phone? Built in camera to transmit your image, Bluetooth headset, and a display to show your caller's image. Maybe a way to plug the phone into a base and see everything on your home theater.
Whatever they do come out with, I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll be wowed yet again and many of us be wondering, "Why didn't I think of that?"

[Roquentin]

As mature as the market is, mobile-phone operating systems are still in the dark ages. They're like the old PCs before the Mac came along. I'm a total gadgeteer, but I have yet to navigate a mobile phone or PDA menu system that doesn't make me cast hopeful glances over my shoulder for that blonde olympic runner swinging the slegehammer. Even for a straight-up mobile phone with no features more unique than a rational user-interface design, I stand ready to buy. Bring it on, Apple!

[cfromberg]

did anyone pay attention to the rumors???? the rumor is that it will have 2 batteries, one for the music part, one for the phone/pda whatever part... so the phone juice is completly seperate from the music whatever part... that way the phone will have a normal couple of days standby, and the music will have normal dozens of hours range.... are you guys more happier now???

[jpmhughes]

What are you talking about?
Dan mentioned this in his article.
Not to mention these are rumors after all.

[kirktalon]

I still say the guy was just trying to get the Mac faithful to knee jerk react so he could brag about it to his friends at his TGIF birthday lunch. He'll probably be the first in line when Apple actually makes an iPhone.

[JakeT]

I think it takes a lot more power to make a phone call than to listen to music. The battery in the shuffle is a lot smaller than the battery in my cell phone. I don't think battery life will be a problem.

[006and3quarters]

enh

I don't really care. If isn't with Verizon I'll never use it.

[solipsism]

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Actually, I mentioned this in a past post as a reason that I didn't think an iPhone media player would be practical. What happens when you've been listening to tunes all day and then get a phone call but your battery is gone?
I think there are many compelling reasons to keep the devices separate.

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There are no compelling reasons why Apple should not evolve the portable music player into a phone. Every other phone company is evolving there phones into music players so would should Apple stay out of the game and risk losing customers to these other manufactures? If you want to carry multiple, mono-dedicated devices, I'm sure these will still be available. There is no evidence that Apple will discontinue there iPod line in favor of the iPhone. It wouldn't make sense.
With cell phones totaling 2.5x the numbers of iPods, and Apple already proving it's worth with simple, intuitive UIs, I can't imagine Apple not gettign at least 5% of teh market it's first year. That is over a 11 million.

[Nobody]

Here you go with pictures. iPhone SmartPhone. Built-in Mac OS X mobile. The ultimate wireless computerless presentation remote. Carry your home folder and all the rest (applications and so) with you. Boot from it. Imagine the Halo effect:
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