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VMWare for Macs may have limited appeal
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:18 PM
It amazes me that VMWare, a company practically next door to Apple, wasn't on top of this Intel conversion. They let an upstart company get the jump on them before they decided they should enter the Mac market. With Parallels so far ahead on features, ease of use, and there phenomenally fast update cycle I see no reason to support VMWare.
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:36 PM
There is nothing in the story indicating that VMWare would have limited appeal. The so-called skeptic said that Macs hadn't pushed into the enterprise, but anyone familiar with Apple already knew that.
Sure, Parallels is first out of the gate, but the quality and price of the VMWare product will ultimately decide whether one crushes the other, or if both develop customer bases that keep them both in the game.
All in all, a pretty pointless article. . .with a stupid headline to boot.
Sure, Parallels is first out of the gate, but the quality and price of the VMWare product will ultimately decide whether one crushes the other, or if both develop customer bases that keep them both in the game.
All in all, a pretty pointless article. . .with a stupid headline to boot.
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:59 PM
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It amazes me that VMWare, a company practically next door to Apple, wasn't on top of this Intel conversion. They let an upstart company get the jump on them before they decided they should enter the Mac market. With Parallels so far ahead on features, ease of use, and there phenomenally fast update cycle I see no reason to support VMWare.
Spoken like a person who has never used a VMware product. Anyone who has used their software knows that they are second to NONE for virtualization. Virtual PC, Virtual Server, XEN, and any other virtualization software has never held their own against VMwares software. Trust me, this is a very good thing for the mac Virtualization market. Parallels came to market with a limited feature set and lots of bugs a issues. They were not ready for primetime, they were just trying to ensure they were first and had the mindshare. If this product is the best they can do, VMware likely has little to worry about. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
It amazes me that VMWare, a company practically next door to Apple, wasn't on top of this Intel conversion. They let an upstart company get the jump on them before they decided they should enter the Mac market. With Parallels so far ahead on features, ease of use, and there phenomenally fast update cycle I see no reason to support VMWare.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 12:04 AM
Oh, and the main reason I believe that half of those who registered for the beta downloaded the software, they did not realize that the software was for Intel macs or they do not have an intel mac and only wanted to be in on the new software as there was no price for admission to behind the scenes... /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 12:17 AM
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Spoken like a person who has never used a VMware product. Anyone who has used their software knows that they are second to NONE for virtualization.
Spoken like a person who has never used a VMware product. Anyone who has used their software knows that they are second to NONE for virtualization.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VMWare the reason Microsoft eventually threw up their hands and gave up on Virtual PC for Windows? If so...they're no pushovers.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 02:56 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VMWare the reason Microsoft eventually threw up their hands and gave up on Virtual PC for Windows? If so...they're no pushovers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VMWare the reason Microsoft eventually threw up their hands and gave up on Virtual PC for Windows? If so...they're no pushovers.
Ok, you're wrong. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
MS has not given up on Virtual PC for Windows, in fact VPC 2007 is in Beta right now. The nice thing about VPC is that they have made it FREE, and this remains for 2007 version too. They have also recently released Virtual Server 2005 R2, which is virtualization with servers in mind.
As for the whole VMWare vs Parallels discussion, if the VMWare product comes out at the expected $199 price point, they are missing the boat and are more then twice the price of Parallels. Parallels has come a long way in a short time. Their latest betas are outstanding for the features they give. Coherence mode is the next best thing to running a Windows app native in OSX. Does VMWare offer such a feature?
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 06:10 AM
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Oh, and the main reason I believe that half of those who registered for the beta downloaded the software, they did not realize that the software was for Intel macs or they do not have an intel mac and only wanted to be in on the new software as there was no price for admission to behind the scenes... /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oh, and the main reason I believe that half of those who registered for the beta downloaded the software, they did not realize that the software was for Intel macs or they do not have an intel mac and only wanted to be in on the new software as there was no price for admission to behind the scenes... /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Also there are those like me that can not get the VMWare beta to work on my Intel Mac Pro. After starting the open sequence the first start-up windows shows for a fraction of a second, then back to the finder with no VMWare open. I've tried this on several partitions several time & still the same problem. VMWare said that they would get back to me, From the date this beta came out until now, I have got no second response from them.
Parallels is working much better now. Sometimes I have trouble with it. So far that trouble has just required a restart or similar short-term fix. I've been able to run Windows XP & Vista beta very well. My copy of Windows 2000 is an OEM version that came with an old Windows computer that was given to me. It worked with Virtual PC for years. Parallels claims not to work from OEM disks. I have a valid registered copy from the school program that I am in. I will try to load it & Windows 2003 Server. The 64-bit version of XP is not supported by Paralles. At least this was true a couple of months ago. From what I understand from the VMWare FAQ & discussion sight, it will run the 64-bit version of XP.
I plan on using both programs. This will be for the near future as VMWare has not run on my Intel Mac as of yet. Others have had little or no problem. Maybe next revision of their beta will run on my machine. Until then I will be running Parallels for my Windows needs.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 08:52 AM
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Ok, you're wrong. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
MS has not given up on Virtual PC for Windows, in fact VPC 2007 is in Beta right now. The nice thing about VPC is that they have made it FREE, and this remains for 2007 version too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VMWare the reason Microsoft eventually threw up their hands and gave up on Virtual PC for Windows? If so...they're no pushovers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VMWare the reason Microsoft eventually threw up their hands and gave up on Virtual PC for Windows? If so...they're no pushovers.
Ok, you're wrong. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
MS has not given up on Virtual PC for Windows, in fact VPC 2007 is in Beta right now. The nice thing about VPC is that they have made it FREE, and this remains for 2007 version too.
NeoX and moosensquirrel,
You can both be right!
It is possible that MicroShaft admits that VPC is vastly and hopelessly inferior to VMWare, but when has that ever stopped them in the past?
Look at Zune, Internet Explorer, and even Windows itself: all started as horribly bad products compared to what was available to consumers, but 'Shaftee has the wealth, arrogance and criminal soul to engage in bullying, lying and illegal business practices to force their crappy products to "succeed."
If a foreign country sold a product to American consumers way below the cost of production (even if it is more than zero) with the obvious intent of harming competitors, it would be called dumping and would be stopped immediately. MicroShaft has done the same thing for years, but our government rarely performs its regulatory consumer protection duties, and the one time it did, a new slack-ass administration was installed that did not punish the convicted criminals.
Let's hope Zune goes the way of Bob, Tablet PC's and WebTV!
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 10:44 AM
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There is nothing in the story indicating that VMWare would have limited appeal. The so-called skeptic said that Macs hadn't pushed into the enterprise, but anyone familiar with Apple already knew that.
Sure, Parallels is first out of the gate, but the quality and price of the VMWare product will ultimately decide whether one crushes the other, or if both develop customer bases that keep them both in the game.
All in all, a pretty pointless article. . .with a stupid headline to boot.
There is nothing in the story indicating that VMWare would have limited appeal. The so-called skeptic said that Macs hadn't pushed into the enterprise, but anyone familiar with Apple already knew that.
Sure, Parallels is first out of the gate, but the quality and price of the VMWare product will ultimately decide whether one crushes the other, or if both develop customer bases that keep them both in the game.
All in all, a pretty pointless article. . .with a stupid headline to boot.
Hey Dave, I was thinking the same thing. If anything, the Enterprise embraces brand names that they are familiar. VMware being one such example. This article left me scratching my head.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 11:23 AM
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...but 'Shaftee has the wealth, arrogance and criminal soul to engage in bullying, lying and illegal business practices to force their crappy products to "succeed."
...but 'Shaftee has the wealth, arrogance and criminal soul to engage in bullying, lying and illegal business practices to force their crappy products to "succeed."
Yes Microsoft has the wealth and the balls to pursue and do everything they can to expand their BUSINESS. They are engaged in BUSINESS after all what do you expect? I expect Microsoft to compete ruthlessly against their competitors and to push the "blackest gray areas" of the law, the tax code, etc.
Do you know that they are tax attorneys that do nothing all day but look at the tax code to come up with schemes to minimize the tax exposure of their clients. Look at the wife of John Kerry (ran for Prez), in 2003 (or 04) it was reported that Theresa Heinz Kerry paid about $750,000 in Federal taxes on estimated assets of 3.2 billion. I calculate that she paid about 4 orders of magnitude less taxes than myself on an asset normalized basis. Now that's doing it right, of course she probably had to pay several million to smart tax attorneys and CPAs that set up the structure of her asset base, but she will reap the tax savings year after year until the tax law changes -- and even there she can contribute money to politicians to try to influence the changes or even constructively add changes that will be even more advantageous to her situation over the years.
There are some that push into blackness and end up in jail for tax evasion, others tread the finest razors edge of the "blackest gray areas" such that there is still the faintest amount of gray with an underlying legal argument such that they can defend themselves in tax court. After all why give the Government any money if you are smart enough to reduce all tax liability and exposure to ZERO.
The people in the earned income sector are exactly analogous to the people still in the virtualized world of the Matrix in that they are plugged into the Government and their money is sucked out of them in the same way that the Matrix sucks out the energy of the people that are plugged in. Even worse the tax code is written to their disadvantage. Businesses and Investors have much more leverage through the tax code. Look at two tax advantages to investment properties -- depreciation, the Government subsidizes the property owners investment by allowing the property to be depreciated over an acceptable economic life; and the 1031 exchange, the Government allows indefinite defferral of capital gains taxes if you transfer your investment money from the sale of one property into another property within certain restrictions.
The way the Microsoft antitrust case ended up shows that Government (of the people and for the people -- laughs, what a crock of $hit) will give the appearance of doing something while effectively doing nothing to a predatory monopoly that is in violation of the Sherman Act and other laws. I was a big fan of Judge Jackson's original ruling to split Microsoft into two separate operating entities.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 11:48 AM
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As for the whole VMWare vs Parallels discussion, if the VMWare product comes out at the expected $199 price point, they are missing the boat and are more then twice the price of Parallels.
As for the whole VMWare vs Parallels discussion, if the VMWare product comes out at the expected $199 price point, they are missing the boat and are more then twice the price of Parallels.
The price point is fine considering what VMWare offers. Rock solid stability, features that Parallels is just starting to add (USB2, graphic acceleration). One of the key features for enterprise folks will be portability- the same VM can be moved from machine to machine- Mac/Linux/Windows. Also as a point of reference, the Windows version is currently selling at ~$180. I don't think they are going to sell it any cheaper for Macs.
Not to knock Parallels though, it's a great product! I'm currently using it and it works like a charm.
