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Well, a complete non-starter for me. I've been limping along on my ancient StarTac, hoping for an unlocked Apple phone - only to find out they're locked into the one carrier I desperately want to leave. And I have to pay what is apparently a full, unsubsidized price AND commit to another two years of poor reception and customer disservice?
I don't need the color screen. I need NOT to have a camera. I can get the sync capability elsewhere. I don't even really care that it plays music. I WANTED a TELEPHONE with Apple panache, not a multimedia access-fee sucker for Cingular. This makes me sad.
Apple unveils iPhone
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 04:44 PM
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I now have the ability to carry around OS X in my pocket? I'm SOLD!
The UI on the six cell phones I have owned over the years has always been laughable. I think I have to go through five separate screens to make a conference call on my Sony Erickson. ANYthing would be an improvement and I'm glad the folks at Apple are showing how it's done.
I'm frankly stunned by what this IPhone can do in addition to make calls - Touch Screen, PDA, Mail, Safari, Itunes Video and Music. Good job!
Question for you tech guys - How can Apple run OS X in a cell phone? Is there a processor inside?
I now have the ability to carry around OS X in my pocket? I'm SOLD!
The UI on the six cell phones I have owned over the years has always been laughable. I think I have to go through five separate screens to make a conference call on my Sony Erickson. ANYthing would be an improvement and I'm glad the folks at Apple are showing how it's done.
I'm frankly stunned by what this IPhone can do in addition to make calls - Touch Screen, PDA, Mail, Safari, Itunes Video and Music. Good job!
Question for you tech guys - How can Apple run OS X in a cell phone? Is there a processor inside?
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 04:46 PM
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Verizon is not a GSM provider... so your comparison is off.
Verizon is not a GSM provider... so your comparison is off.
Yeah, but GSM coverage in must of the US sucks outside of cities or major highways. Which is why I have Verizon/CDMA, and why the iPhone, as cool as it sounds in theory, is utterly useless to me until/unless they come out with a CDMA version.
Right now I carry a Treo 700p and an 80Gb video iPod. I wouldn't mind converging to a single device, and a Mac OS X PIM would be a big winner over the "aging and frayed around the edges" PalmOS Garnet we're still stuck with. But I upgraded from a 20Gb iPod because it couldn't hold anywhere near what I wanted to carry around, so an 8Gb iPod is as useless as a GSM phone. (Then again, my Treo also claims to play music and I don't hold that against it, so a CDMA iPhone with "vestigial iPodishness" wouldn't necessarily be a killer.)
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 04:47 PM
Remember, US law has just made it legal to unlock phones. I have a feeling this one will be very easy to unlock. I also wouldn't be surprised if the ones you buy from the Apple store are already unlocked.
By the way, I told you folks so! They laughed when I touted my page HERE that describes something very much like this iPhone back in October! One thing I predict there that wasn't mentioned was Apple Remote Desktop, which would allow controlling and transferring with any other computer. But with a mini OSX inside, I think it is still very possible..
Mike from myallo.com
By the way, I told you folks so! They laughed when I touted my page HERE that describes something very much like this iPhone back in October! One thing I predict there that wasn't mentioned was Apple Remote Desktop, which would allow controlling and transferring with any other computer. But with a mini OSX inside, I think it is still very possible..
Mike from myallo.com
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 04:48 PM
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Question for you tech guys - How can Apple run OS X in a cell phone? Is there a processor inside?
Question for you tech guys - How can Apple run OS X in a cell phone? Is there a processor inside?
Every cell phone is a computer. Every iPod is a computer. They all run an OS, whether PalmOS, Pocket PC, Symbian, Linux, or something else. This one runs Mac OS X. Cool.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 04:49 PM
The Zune product manager making the comments on iPod Phone (iPhone) before the unveiling was really caught off guard.. his remarks seem so goofy and antiquated all within the span of hours.....
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:00 PM
Do the phone applications have scroll buttons and scroll bars on the screen? If I'm scrolling through long web pages, text messages, or contact lists, then having to drag every page up the screen one by one is going to be very time consuming.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:01 PM
Hey I saw your little illustration, it was neat but I think many envisioned devices with similar form factors.... I do have to say the coolest thing about the iPhone is its interface. Just when you thought no one can possibly improve the click wheel... Baaammmmm here comes Apple, not only they managed to make the click wheel look clunky... but they managed to make every device that has the circular innuendos of a click wheel totally obsolete.
Stand aside Blackberry
Lookout Palm
Go away Samsung
RIP Nokia
and learn a thing or two Sony
Apple just made itself a lot enemies boy!
Stand aside Blackberry
Lookout Palm
Go away Samsung
RIP Nokia
and learn a thing or two Sony
Apple just made itself a lot enemies boy!
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:07 PM
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Actually, I think that IS the case. When the Cingular guy got up on stage after Jobs announced the prices, he said something like "By the way, that includes the conract--FYI." (At least according to the live updates I was reading.)
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That'd be nice, but considering the phone probably isn't making Apple much of a profit (most cell phones cost more to make than they sell for), I doubt that's the case. Especially when you consider that even a $39/mo plan for 2 years would be over $900, that's definitely not the case!
That'd be nice, but considering the phone probably isn't making Apple much of a profit (most cell phones cost more to make than they sell for), I doubt that's the case. Especially when you consider that even a $39/mo plan for 2 years would be over $900, that's definitely not the case!
Actually, I think that IS the case. When the Cingular guy got up on stage after Jobs announced the prices, he said something like "By the way, that includes the conract--FYI." (At least according to the live updates I was reading.)
Can anyone else confirm this? That the price DOES include the contract costs?
Aaargh! Where's the Keynote transcript?! Weren't there any stenographers on hand?
Okay, patience. All shall be revealed in due course...
But seriously, didn't someone have a Talk-to-Type app running?
~Conejo
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:09 PM
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Better yet, I'd like to see a GPS receiver built into the device.
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Hopefully we'll see a GPS navigation app for the iPhone that works with a Bluetooth GPS receiver. I won't consider buying an iPhone until that's available.
Hopefully we'll see a GPS navigation app for the iPhone that works with a Bluetooth GPS receiver. I won't consider buying an iPhone until that's available.
Better yet, I'd like to see a GPS receiver built into the device.
Arn't cell phones in the USA required to have built in GPS ( for 911 calls )?
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:17 PM
Yeah we all Mac users in my area use Cingular because Verizon cripples the phones to not work with iTunes. Verizon sucks and are not Mac friendly. My daughter is a customer rep for Verizon and just shakes her head in disbelief at the company. She uses a Mac by the way.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:20 PM
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Arn't cell phones in the USA required to have built in GPS ( for 911 calls )?
Arn't cell phones in the USA required to have built in GPS ( for 911 calls )?
Those types of GPS are called "Assisted GPS". They cannot function independently like a normal GPS receiver. Instead, Assisted GPS uses the cell phone network to communicate with your carrier's servers and determine your position. This of course means additional fees for non-emergency use. Some Windows Mobile devices such as the HP iPaq have true GPS receivers which don't require the mobile carrier's blessing in order to work.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:22 PM
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Can anyone else confirm this? That the price DOES include the contract costs?
Aaargh! Where's the Keynote transcript?! Weren't there any stenographers on hand?
Okay, patience. All shall be revealed in due course...
But seriously, didn't someone have a Talk-to-Type app running?
~Conejo
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Actually, I think that IS the case. When the Cingular guy got up on stage after Jobs announced the prices, he said something like "By the way, that includes the conract--FYI." (At least according to the live updates I was reading.)
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That'd be nice, but considering the phone probably isn't making Apple much of a profit (most cell phones cost more to make than they sell for), I doubt that's the case. Especially when you consider that even a $39/mo plan for 2 years would be over $900, that's definitely not the case!
That'd be nice, but considering the phone probably isn't making Apple much of a profit (most cell phones cost more to make than they sell for), I doubt that's the case. Especially when you consider that even a $39/mo plan for 2 years would be over $900, that's definitely not the case!
Actually, I think that IS the case. When the Cingular guy got up on stage after Jobs announced the prices, he said something like "By the way, that includes the conract--FYI." (At least according to the live updates I was reading.)
Can anyone else confirm this? That the price DOES include the contract costs?
Aaargh! Where's the Keynote transcript?! Weren't there any stenographers on hand?
Okay, patience. All shall be revealed in due course...
But seriously, didn't someone have a Talk-to-Type app running?
~Conejo
Steve didn't say anything, but on the screen it said "2-year contract" next to the price of the phone. That means you'll pay that price and will need to pay monthly charges (at whatever level Cingular requires) for 24 months.
