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Editors' Notes Weblog: Expo reaction: iDisappointed

#57 User is offline   wardoggie Icon

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:53 PM

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Want to replace my Power Mac, but the Mac Pro is a tad too expensive.


With the iPhone and apple TV to discuss, what makes you think Steve would dedicate any keynote speech time to announcing a price break? He didn't even bother to talk about the new Airport Extreme. People who want it will hear about it later (as we kind of all did by reading Macworld).
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Want to replace my 23-inch ACD with a 26/27 inch.


Dell has a 27" widescreen display for $1400. If a Mac Pro is a tad expensive, perhaps saving a little on a Dell would put the MP within range?
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P.S. The iPhone is way cool, but I am more of a desktop computer person than a phone person.


I think that's the point of the iPhone: to get you away from your desktop without leaving key apps (mail, web, contacts, and a small sliver of your digital life) behind.
As for the keynote, Apple far exceeded my expectations for iPhone and met them with Apple TV, so I can't complain. It was certainly better than in past years when all we had to look forward to was minor speed bumps and promises that 3GHz was just around the corner. I was a little disappointed that there wasn't a "one more thing..." but I guess the iPhone was too huge an announcement for that.
Maybe I just have low expectations? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 05:57 PM

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I'm with you Gordon. I'm excited by the iPhone and the future. I don't understand all the hand wringing and knashing of teeth.


I'm gnashing my teeth for the reasons Rob outlined -- we're left in the dark over core products (e.g., Leopard) to the Mac user versus new user products, or even non-Mac-user products. AppleTV is a cross-platform user-appliance, not a Mac-exclusive item.
The AppleTV looks really neat, but how well will it stream on wireless-G networks? If we have to use the n-standard, that will mean upgrading to the new Airport Extreme and probably a new Mac as well, which screws over more loyal Mac users.
Kudos for Apple telling us that iPhone is coming and how cool it is. I will hold off getting a new phone until it comes out. But it cannot be ordered yet because it does not have FCC approval. And we have no idea how well it will actually work.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:01 PM

Great news, iphone, appleTV etc. Time now for, "Oh yeah, and just one more thing....." announcement to cover all the software, Leopard, ilife & iwork. Maybe, even on the date Vista will be released.
That would be something....... it is hard to be patient sometimes....... /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:12 PM

Some people do not get it. The real revolution is that the iPhone has Mac OS X inside. You have no idea what it means...
PS: better not to mix too many things. All the hardware and software updated are there. Only waiting for next months. Just wait a bit for them to come.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:16 PM

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Sure, Steve Jobs took the wraps off of Apple TV and the iPhone Tuesday. But think about all the things that he didn't talk about. <a href="http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2007/01/keynotereax/index.php">[more]</a>



MacExpo isn't over yet..... Steve is coming back in the next day and is going to say, " Oh yeah! one more thing" and will proceed with the updated macs and software.....wait and see
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:16 PM

I agree too. I'm very disappointed. With 2 hours he could have mentioned and shown every new product Apple introduced in 2006.
I was going to get a new Mac to replace my G3 with the new OSX (leopard?), but now I'm not.
I gave up my cell phone a couple of years ago, not because it didn't work, but I didn't like people calling me anywhere and everywhere. Apple TV? like another poster said, get longer cable.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:18 PM

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The common man is not interested in a $500 phone (although I would love one). If it was 30GB or better, then it would be a different story.


LOL... that's what people said 5 years ago when the iPod (with a 5GB hard drive) was announced for $399.


Which of course is why they never bothered with a smaller, less expensive version like, oh say, a "mini" iPod or a "nano" iPod. Or a $299, 10G version with Windows support.


My reference was to affordability for a first generation product, since I was responding to someone who was talking about affordability. As has been demonstrated many times, consumers don't buy based on "price per GB".
$399 in 2001 had the value that $455 has today. Just food for thought when people start complaining that an iPhone won't sell (with a 2 year contract) at $499.
iPod sales did skyrocket once they were for PC compatible... but prior to that strong sales nonetheless took analysts and prognosticators by surprise.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:29 PM

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My disappointment stems from the fact that this is Macworld Expo, and it has historically been about Macs, OS X, and related hardware and software. By choosing to not even mention those areas this morning, Steve sent a very clear message that the event is no longer about those things.
If this is a trend for the future, then, it gives me little reason to attend the show: why bother coming to see Apple's booth? I just walked through it, and they're showing Final Cut Express, iLife '06, iWork '06, Aperture, and a bunch of other stuff I already know about. There's one wall where they do have some Apple TVs lined up, but the iPhone is nowhere to be found. So why did Apple bother taking a 20,000 square foot booth to show everyone last year's technology?
So to summarize, the disappointment is with the avoidance of all things Mac at an event that's historically been dedicated to the Mac.


Is it possible your disappointment has to do with how Macworld Expo doesn't know how to adapt to Apple's favorably changing fortunes and market environment.
You're entitled to be disappointed. Hey... I quit going to Macworld Expo in Boston because it was a waste of my time. But that wasn't Apple's fault. Macworld Expo simply didn't seem interested in catering to someone with my interests.
Seems you're reluctant to put the onus on Macworld Expo for doing something(s) to be relevant for you. Your title for the article was right "Expo Reaction - iDisappointed"... alas, you immediately veered to blaming Apple and not Macworld Expo.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:34 PM

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Apple gave me no reason at all to plead with the spouse to spend some money!


iDitto!
You hit the nail on the head, Rob. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for all the folks that are so jazzed about the iPhone and Apple TV. But this is the first keynote in quite a while where I didn't feel the need to run right down to the Apple store and spend some money.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:53 PM

Down here in New Zealand, this reads as a very disappointing Macworld. We may not get iPhones until next year!
Okay, the local online Applestore says it will have AppleTVs next month, but suddenly that doesn't look very exciting any more. There is next to nothing in this Macworld of any immediate interest to anyone outside the US. Please tell me Jobs will deliver a second keynote for day two...
On the other hand we now know what all that resolution independence stuff is about (Cabel Sasser's blog) -- it isn't to make UI elements bigger, it's to make them small enough to fit on an iPhone.
And Leopard will come out when the iPhone does, 'cause that's the version of OSX it uses -- did Jobs ever mention Tiger?
This is probably a good time to invest in Samsung or whoever it is makes Apple's Flash memory.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:02 PM

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iToo. I really want (need) that ultralight Macbook Pro.

Did you totally miss the announcement. It's called the iPhone.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:13 PM

I hope a non-phone device like this ships soon. I am in China and expect to be for awhile. The phone doesn't interest me, but the rest does. I'd love to replace my Palm as I am getting increasingly disenchanted with them--if I could have an OS X PDA that works as a functioning iPod (which I haven't jumped on the bandwagon and bought despite my early adoption of the Mac--1984) I would be in heaven. Someday the phone would be nice, but not on my budget.
As for disappointment: I'm sure the other stuff is in the pipeline, but obviously this is the belle of the ball and it makes sense for Apple to highlight it.
As for iPhone being too expensive: this is cutting edge stuff, the price will fall eventually (probably marginally--$300 to $500 range?) and I'm sure the carriers will proliferate over time. With the stuff this can do it is in the premium category like a Blackberry or a Treo. I paid $3200 for my original Mac (sometimes being an early adopter, no matter how cool the gadget, is just stupid).
Smart of Apple to include OS X on the iPhone--another encouragement to switchers: wow, this works great on my phone; maybe it is time to get ride of my clunky Win-dohs box and buy something that can run this smoothly.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:13 PM

I could be wrong...but MacWorld isn't over yet. (Did someone else say that?) I was also disappointed by things that were not mentioned. But I will be reserving comment until MacWorld is officially over in case, as I hope and expect, new announcements are made each remaining day of the show. I hope.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:22 PM

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I agree too. I'm very disappointed. With 2 hours he could have mentioned and shown every new product Apple introduced in 2006.


That really says something about how lackluster 2006 was, doesn't it? I mean, by and large, in 2006, Apple just switched processors; externally, most macs remained very similar, except for the new 24" iMac. The revolution was on the inside and meant more in a business perspective (i.e., how am I going to get along with Adobe CS2 running on Rosetta?) than in a "how's it going to change my life" perspective like the iPhone.
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I was going to get a new Mac to replace my G3 with the new OSX (leopard?), but now I'm not.


If you're happy with a G3 and whatever OS is running on it, by all means... enjoy it for a few months until Leopard comes out. When Leopard comes out, whatever hardware is out now will blow the doors off your G3.
And, frankly, if Apple's G4, G5 and IntelMac offerings weren't enough to open your wallet, what exactly are you waiting for?
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I gave up my cell phone a couple of years ago, not because it didn't work, but I didn't like people calling me anywhere and everywhere. Apple TV? like another poster said, get longer cable.


Didn't like people calling you? Did you know about Caller ID? Or the off switch? And as for a longer cable... how would you control your mac? Run into another room every time you wanted to switch playlists or skip a song?
I would've liked to have seen a 12" (or smaller) MacBook Pro... with pro-level graphics card and some nifty, new features. But I'm not disappointed just because it didn't happen. In fact, I probably would've been disappointed if all they had to talk about was that, Airport Extreme 802.11n, and maybe some pro-level apps like Logic, Aperture (recently updated to v1.5, mind you) and Final Cut.
Maybe my expectations are low because I've been to several Macworld SFs where the biggest news was a processor speed bump and the expo hall was about 2/3rds of one hall. After attending some dismal MWSF shows in the past, where the big discussion was "when is Sony going to buy Apple?" or "when will Apple go out of business?" I'm just happy they're doing well. I think/hope Apple is going to be very successful with the iPhone... because that would mean they'll be around longer and there will be macs well into the future. If you think no new mac-based announcements means they're going away from the mac, I would strongly disagree. Everything discussed at today's keynote is meant to expand the Mac universe, not shrink it.
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