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Posted 19 February 2007 - 02:19 PM
XP has proven to work quite well for most of it's users so they're not in a rush to change.
Businesses, such as mine, are not in a rush to upgrade because of this as well, but they will slowly adopt Vista because it will slowly be introduced into their networks each new PC purchase the company makes. Mine has done so flawlessly and I have had absolutely no problems on my work network...
So, that's my opinion. You're welcome to yours.
That's kind of a contradiction. Either Vista is worth it or it's not. If Vista is a solid upgrade and works flawlessly, as you would have us believe, and if it's competitively priced, businesses and users across the globe would be rushing to upgrade to it.
But Microsoft is lowering expectations on the voluntary upgrades to Vista. Why? For the same reason it took so long for XP to become the majority Windows OS on computers -- people know it's a giant pain in the a$$ to upgrade Windows PCs. Most people wait until they buy a new computer that comes with the new version of Windows. Most people learned this around Windows 98, 98SE, ME.
Businesses, such as mine, are not in a rush to upgrade because of this as well, but they will slowly adopt Vista because it will slowly be introduced into their networks each new PC purchase the company makes. Mine has done so flawlessly and I have had absolutely no problems on my work network...
So, that's my opinion. You're welcome to yours.
That's kind of a contradiction. Either Vista is worth it or it's not. If Vista is a solid upgrade and works flawlessly, as you would have us believe, and if it's competitively priced, businesses and users across the globe would be rushing to upgrade to it.
But Microsoft is lowering expectations on the voluntary upgrades to Vista. Why? For the same reason it took so long for XP to become the majority Windows OS on computers -- people know it's a giant pain in the a$$ to upgrade Windows PCs. Most people wait until they buy a new computer that comes with the new version of Windows. Most people learned this around Windows 98, 98SE, ME.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:28 PM
Not a bad point. The difference, however, is 1) Apple was not making Microsoft kind of money, and 2) Apple couldn't go and peak at what Microsoft was doing to come up with its OS.
I read in one of Apple's quarterly reports that it spend 100 million to develop OSX (the first version). Add that to the $429 million it paid to buy NeXt, and you still come nowhere near the Six Billion it cost Microsoft to develop Vista.
If you want to add Copland into the cost, I read somewhere, but can't remember where, Apple spend about sixty million developing that. Moreover, Apple did release parts of Copland into versions of the original Mac OS 7 through 9.
My overall point is that Apple spend less then a billion dollars coming up with the first version of OSX, and Microsoft had a lot more time to look at what its competitors was doing.
I read in one of Apple's quarterly reports that it spend 100 million to develop OSX (the first version). Add that to the $429 million it paid to buy NeXt, and you still come nowhere near the Six Billion it cost Microsoft to develop Vista.
If you want to add Copland into the cost, I read somewhere, but can't remember where, Apple spend about sixty million developing that. Moreover, Apple did release parts of Copland into versions of the original Mac OS 7 through 9.
My overall point is that Apple spend less then a billion dollars coming up with the first version of OSX, and Microsoft had a lot more time to look at what its competitors was doing.
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Careful; someone might point how much time Apple spent trying to develop a next generation OS before giving up and buying NeXT - and the time they spent pounding THAT into shape.
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What a joke. A company that makes that kind of money can't put together a stellar OS in six years? What a pathetic joke. But they are all billionaires, so good for them.
What a joke. A company that makes that kind of money can't put together a stellar OS in six years? What a pathetic joke. But they are all billionaires, so good for them.
Careful; someone might point how much time Apple spent trying to develop a next generation OS before giving up and buying NeXT - and the time they spent pounding THAT into shape.
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 07:10 AM
Listen, you aren't dealing with a crowd that doesn't use XP every day. Most of us here use XP every single day. We are quite familiar with all of the things you have to do to avoid getting malware, spyware, viruses, worms, etc.
And what would those multiple things be? Don't open e-mail attachments from unknown sources? Correctly set up a spam filter? Educate yourself on current phishing tactics? Install AVG and configure it to run daily? Never click on a pop-up add? Use Firefox instead of IE? Stay away from porn sites?
Because those are the ONLY precautions I take. I consider those precautions common sense and responsible. There are no other magic bullets for keeping your PC secure. Mine is living proof.
Flip3D lets you see one window at a time. This isn't any better than just using CMND TAB to cycle through your windows. It's actually worse because CMND TAB gives you the whole screen and Flip3D gives you a tilted 3D graphic.
Alt-Tab let's you see them all and select which one you want. You may want to learn a bit more about the features before you declare them useless. Why do so many people hate learning?
Windows still has the retarded MDI and SDI behaviors. Can I Flip3D with my Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe After Effects, Adobe anything documents? No I can't. Why? Because those applications are MDI, not SDI, so I don't get each document presented to me in anything. Bad bad bad bad.
I use Gimp and I can flip through all of it's windows with ease. Adobe builds their software to be used in the manner you point out. Not Windows. Go cry about it on an Adobe board.
Vista still requires some form of Registry cleaner/fixer.
Why does registry maintenance scare people so badly? Unless you're installing and uninstalling crap software constantly this is not an issue. If you are installing and uninstalling crap software constantly, you'd better learn how to manage your registry. Now I know a lot of lazy computer users don't want to learn anything... but that's their problem and being a lazy computer user will screw up ANY OS over time. That's a fact you can't sidestep so don't even try.
I still have issues with uninstalling applications and being asked if I want to delete DLL 09804098x. The end user shouldn't be making these decisions.
Some apps share DLL's. That's a fact of life. See above. When is doubt, leave the DLL on the machine. It isn't going to hurt anything if it stays and might break another installed app if you remove it. Windows tells you it's shared... what's the big deal? If common sense decisions scare you this much, perhaps you should stay away from the big scary computers and just use fax machines and telephones?
I get harassed way too much any time I make simple changes to my system.
I call bull-crap on this statement. I think by "simple changes" you mean installing and uninstalling stolen crapware you found on Kazaa.
Vista isn't fully supported by machines sold in 2006.
These are third party driver issues. Cry to the third parties to fix their drivers. Guess what: OSX isn't supported at all by 99.9% of the computers in the world. What's your point? When you close the source and deliver it on ONLY Mac hardware, there is very little need for third party drivers. When you deal with ALL hardware vendors in the world, you also deal with their driver development teams. Some are slow.
I'm running Vista on an Inspiron 9200 that was purchased in 2004. It's fully supported. Stop crying wolf. Your statements are simply misleading.
A lot of my software is incompatible with Vista. I recommend anyone considering buying Vista run the compatibility checker first.
I recommend this as well. Third party software will catch up just as driver development will. Get over it. The same situation has happened with each new Windows OS and exists in the various OSX versions as well. Hell, my best friend had to BUY and OSX upgrade just because he bought a new Video iPod and his current version wouldn't support the version of iTunes needed to use it... at least Windows isn't pulling crap like that! Shame, shame, shame.
I've had no problems with my software. I'm running Doom 3, Halflife 2, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, My Canon Rebel XT Utilities, AVG, Joost Beta, and Office Pro 2003 with no issues. The only patches I had to install were graphics driver fixes for the games, but that it to be expected with games and was a simple download from each games support site. A two minute fix. Not bad for an OS upgrade.
Media Center? Even Thurrott said Media Center on Vista is garbage.
So I should stop liking Media Center because someone else doesn't like it? Hey, it works fine for me and I can control it from across the room with a remote. That's exactly what it's intended for.
Vista is definitely an improvement over XP, though. But that's not saying much, really. Windows still has this problem of lack of consistency and vomiting user interface buttons all over the place. Windows Vista is still a plethora of tabs buried under Properties buttons buried under Advanced Property buttons.
Dude, you're just being silly at this point and you know it.
I don't get the whole OSX/Windows fanboi attitude that - because you love OSX you have to hate Windows and vice-versa. It's just silly. I like them both but I prefer the one I use. I just don't get the whole "choose sides and hate the other" mentality, but hey, have at it fanboi. It seems to be a hip statement among a lot of your peers.
Rock on with your bad self!
And what would those multiple things be? Don't open e-mail attachments from unknown sources? Correctly set up a spam filter? Educate yourself on current phishing tactics? Install AVG and configure it to run daily? Never click on a pop-up add? Use Firefox instead of IE? Stay away from porn sites?
Because those are the ONLY precautions I take. I consider those precautions common sense and responsible. There are no other magic bullets for keeping your PC secure. Mine is living proof.
Flip3D lets you see one window at a time. This isn't any better than just using CMND TAB to cycle through your windows. It's actually worse because CMND TAB gives you the whole screen and Flip3D gives you a tilted 3D graphic.
Alt-Tab let's you see them all and select which one you want. You may want to learn a bit more about the features before you declare them useless. Why do so many people hate learning?
Windows still has the retarded MDI and SDI behaviors. Can I Flip3D with my Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe After Effects, Adobe anything documents? No I can't. Why? Because those applications are MDI, not SDI, so I don't get each document presented to me in anything. Bad bad bad bad.
I use Gimp and I can flip through all of it's windows with ease. Adobe builds their software to be used in the manner you point out. Not Windows. Go cry about it on an Adobe board.
Vista still requires some form of Registry cleaner/fixer.
Why does registry maintenance scare people so badly? Unless you're installing and uninstalling crap software constantly this is not an issue. If you are installing and uninstalling crap software constantly, you'd better learn how to manage your registry. Now I know a lot of lazy computer users don't want to learn anything... but that's their problem and being a lazy computer user will screw up ANY OS over time. That's a fact you can't sidestep so don't even try.
I still have issues with uninstalling applications and being asked if I want to delete DLL 09804098x. The end user shouldn't be making these decisions.
Some apps share DLL's. That's a fact of life. See above. When is doubt, leave the DLL on the machine. It isn't going to hurt anything if it stays and might break another installed app if you remove it. Windows tells you it's shared... what's the big deal? If common sense decisions scare you this much, perhaps you should stay away from the big scary computers and just use fax machines and telephones?
I get harassed way too much any time I make simple changes to my system.
I call bull-crap on this statement. I think by "simple changes" you mean installing and uninstalling stolen crapware you found on Kazaa.
Vista isn't fully supported by machines sold in 2006.
These are third party driver issues. Cry to the third parties to fix their drivers. Guess what: OSX isn't supported at all by 99.9% of the computers in the world. What's your point? When you close the source and deliver it on ONLY Mac hardware, there is very little need for third party drivers. When you deal with ALL hardware vendors in the world, you also deal with their driver development teams. Some are slow.
I'm running Vista on an Inspiron 9200 that was purchased in 2004. It's fully supported. Stop crying wolf. Your statements are simply misleading.
A lot of my software is incompatible with Vista. I recommend anyone considering buying Vista run the compatibility checker first.
I recommend this as well. Third party software will catch up just as driver development will. Get over it. The same situation has happened with each new Windows OS and exists in the various OSX versions as well. Hell, my best friend had to BUY and OSX upgrade just because he bought a new Video iPod and his current version wouldn't support the version of iTunes needed to use it... at least Windows isn't pulling crap like that! Shame, shame, shame.
I've had no problems with my software. I'm running Doom 3, Halflife 2, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, My Canon Rebel XT Utilities, AVG, Joost Beta, and Office Pro 2003 with no issues. The only patches I had to install were graphics driver fixes for the games, but that it to be expected with games and was a simple download from each games support site. A two minute fix. Not bad for an OS upgrade.
Media Center? Even Thurrott said Media Center on Vista is garbage.
So I should stop liking Media Center because someone else doesn't like it? Hey, it works fine for me and I can control it from across the room with a remote. That's exactly what it's intended for.
Vista is definitely an improvement over XP, though. But that's not saying much, really. Windows still has this problem of lack of consistency and vomiting user interface buttons all over the place. Windows Vista is still a plethora of tabs buried under Properties buttons buried under Advanced Property buttons.
Dude, you're just being silly at this point and you know it.
I don't get the whole OSX/Windows fanboi attitude that - because you love OSX you have to hate Windows and vice-versa. It's just silly. I like them both but I prefer the one I use. I just don't get the whole "choose sides and hate the other" mentality, but hey, have at it fanboi. It seems to be a hip statement among a lot of your peers.
Rock on with your bad self!
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 11:28 AM
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XP has proven to work quite well for most of it's users so they're not in a rush to change.
Businesses, such as mine, are not in a rush to upgrade because of this as well, but they will slowly adopt Vista because it will slowly be introduced into their networks each new PC purchase the company makes. Mine has done so flawlessly and I have had absolutely no problems on my work network...
So, that's my opinion. You're welcome to yours.
That's kind of a contradiction. Either Vista is worth it or it's not. If Vista is a solid upgrade and works flawlessly, as you would have us believe, and if it's competitively priced, businesses and users across the globe would be rushing to upgrade to it.
But Microsoft is lowering expectations on the voluntary upgrades to Vista. Why? For the same reason it took so long for XP to become the majority Windows OS on computers -- people know it's a giant pain in the a$$ to upgrade Windows PCs. Most people wait until they buy a new computer that comes with the new version of Windows. Most people learned this around Windows 98, 98SE, ME.
XP has proven to work quite well for most of it's users so they're not in a rush to change.
Businesses, such as mine, are not in a rush to upgrade because of this as well, but they will slowly adopt Vista because it will slowly be introduced into their networks each new PC purchase the company makes. Mine has done so flawlessly and I have had absolutely no problems on my work network...
So, that's my opinion. You're welcome to yours.
That's kind of a contradiction. Either Vista is worth it or it's not. If Vista is a solid upgrade and works flawlessly, as you would have us believe, and if it's competitively priced, businesses and users across the globe would be rushing to upgrade to it.
But Microsoft is lowering expectations on the voluntary upgrades to Vista. Why? For the same reason it took so long for XP to become the majority Windows OS on computers -- people know it's a giant pain in the a$$ to upgrade Windows PCs. Most people wait until they buy a new computer that comes with the new version of Windows. Most people learned this around Windows 98, 98SE, ME.
First of all, people adopted to XP and it became the dominant Windows OS in about a years time. Companies abandoned Win 98 as they purchased new PC's with XP installed as a standard. IT departments do not like to change. That's a fact of life in the IT world because change means giving something different to the idiot down the hall who constantly needs you to fix his computer because he can't log-on and the IT dude has to walk down and hit the capslock key for him 3 times a week. So unless you've ever had to work as an IT guy, you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to upgrading and change and how those transitions can be a rip roaring pain in the butt.
It has nothing to do with whether or not Vista is "worth it" it has more to do with not rushing to fix things that aren't broken.
Of course, that change will happen automatically over the next year based on new PC's being purchased with Vista already loaded, so IT guys around the world are currently gearing up for it by planning ahead.
Heck, The company I just left JUST upgraded to the latest Windows Server OS on their network machines from Windows Server 2k - This year.
There is always a delay. I know plenty of people who have not purchased the latest version of OSX as well. Not because it's not an improvement but because they are afraid of changing/breaking things... and they've gained this fear through previous upgrades... and some don't have it because the version they have does everything they need... so why rush?
Also, as stated above, my best friend upgraded to the latest version because he was forced to because he purchased a Video iPod. This broke some of his older software and now he has to run TWO versions of the OS. How's that for lame?
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 03:50 PM
And what would those multiple things be? Don't open e-mail attachments from unknown sources? Correctly set up a spam filter? Educate yourself on current phishing tactics? Install AVG and configure it to run daily? Never click on a pop-up add? Use Firefox instead of IE? Stay away from porn sites?
Because those are the ONLY precautions I take.
LOL! That was great and you are only making my point for me that Windows is a giant pain in the a$$.
You forgot to mention "Don't use Web mail", right?
Alt-Tab let's you see them all and select which one you want. You may want to learn a bit more about the features before you declare them useless. Why do so many people hate learning?
Why do some people have a hard time reading? I was referring to Flip3D. Ever heard of it?
ALT TAB (Flip) shows me small thumbnails. It's a weak impersonation of Expos, which is the theme of Vista - a weak impersonation of OS X.
Flip3D is what Microsoft shows in all their video ads.
I use Gimp and I can flip through all of it's windows with ease.
That doesn't at all refute what I said about MDI and SDI. Gimp is SDI. Great. Most of the applications I use are not.
Adobe builds their software to be used in the manner you point out. Not Windows. Go cry about it on an Adobe board.
You might want to go learn something about your preferred OS. MDI and SDI are part of Windows. Most of the applications I use are MDI, like Adobe.
SDI shows you a separate task bar button for every single document you have open. MDI shows you just one tab for the application and the documents are accessed from within the application.
Flip and Flip3D basically mirror the task bar's behavior in that it doesn't display documents for MDI applications, which are most applications.
Face it, Flip and Flip3D are useless for the vast majority of applications out there.
Why does registry maintenance scare people so badly? Unless you're installing and uninstalling crap software constantly this is not an issue
Yes, unless you actually use your computer, it's not an issue.
You are only confirming what most of us already know - Windows is a giant pain in the a$$ and has a lot more hassles and issues than OS X. All of these things you have mentioned so far are things I do not have to do in OS X. I can go to any Web site I want, even "shady" sites, and not worry about getting spyware/adware/malware.
I can delete applications and not worry about the Registry still having an entry for it and thinking it should open up that application ever time I double-click on a file that that application supported.
If you are installing and uninstalling crap software constantly, you'd better learn how to manage your registry.
Not in OS X.
Now I know a lot of lazy computer users don't want to learn anything... but that's their problem and being a lazy computer user will screw up ANY OS over time. That's a fact you can't sidestep so don't even try.
Yes, I'd rather use my time to get work done versus getting my Windows PC to work properly.
Some apps share DLL's. That's a fact of life.
Not in OS X.
If common sense decisions scare you this much, perhaps you should stay away from the big scary computers and just use fax machines and telephones?
Or use OS X.
I call bull-crap on this statement. I think by "simple changes" you mean installing and uninstalling stolen crapware you found on Kazaa.
Nope.
http://www.codinghor...ves/000571.html
Paul Thurrott:
Guess what: OSX isn't supported at all by 99.9% of the computers in the world. What's your point?
But OS X is fully supported and runs on a 5-year old Mac. My point is my friends system he bought 7 months ago isn't fully supported by Vista's Premium system requirements.
I'm running Vista on an Inspiron 9200 that was purchased in 2004. It's fully supported. Stop crying wolf. Your statements are simply misleading.
Yes, you have a $2,499 laptop from 2004 that has DirectX 9 support, Shader 2, 128 meg video RAM. However, there are many, many PCs sold still today that are not Vista Premium PCs.
Third party software will catch up just as driver development will. Get over it.
And another contradiction. You said something about " it's working flawlessly"?
I don't get the whole OSX/Windows fanboi attitude that - because you love OSX you have to hate Windows and vice-versa.
No, I own both and I think Windows is garbage. Some people have a problem with that.
First of all, people adopted to XP and it became the dominant Windows OS in about a years time.
No. XP was released in 2001 and in 2004 XP was still not the majority.
hat's a fact of life in the IT world because change means giving something different to the idiot down the hall who constantly needs you to fix his computer because he can't log-on and the IT dude has to walk down and hit the capslock key for him 3 times a week. So unless you've ever had to work as an IT guy, you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to upgrading and change and how those transitions can be a rip roaring pain in the butt.
Another contradiction. You just said everything just works flawlessly for you in Vista. You only had to update a driver and patch a couple of games and it only took you a "couple of minutes". So it should be easy for IT to upgrade everyone to Vista.
It has nothing to do with whether or not Vista is "worth it" it has more to do with not rushing to fix things that aren't broken.
IT doesn't decide whether or not a company upgrades to Vista, my friend. But since Vista has so many wonderful security features, I would think IT would want everyone on it too.
Also, as stated above, my best friend upgraded to the latest version because he was forced to because he purchased a Video iPod. This broke some of his older software and now he has to run TWO versions of the OS. How's that for lame?
Which software is he using that won't work under 10.3.9? OS 10.3.9 is not the latest.
Because those are the ONLY precautions I take.
LOL! That was great and you are only making my point for me that Windows is a giant pain in the a$$.
You forgot to mention "Don't use Web mail", right?
Alt-Tab let's you see them all and select which one you want. You may want to learn a bit more about the features before you declare them useless. Why do so many people hate learning?
Why do some people have a hard time reading? I was referring to Flip3D. Ever heard of it?
ALT TAB (Flip) shows me small thumbnails. It's a weak impersonation of Expos, which is the theme of Vista - a weak impersonation of OS X.
Flip3D is what Microsoft shows in all their video ads.
I use Gimp and I can flip through all of it's windows with ease.
That doesn't at all refute what I said about MDI and SDI. Gimp is SDI. Great. Most of the applications I use are not.
Adobe builds their software to be used in the manner you point out. Not Windows. Go cry about it on an Adobe board.
You might want to go learn something about your preferred OS. MDI and SDI are part of Windows. Most of the applications I use are MDI, like Adobe.
SDI shows you a separate task bar button for every single document you have open. MDI shows you just one tab for the application and the documents are accessed from within the application.
Flip and Flip3D basically mirror the task bar's behavior in that it doesn't display documents for MDI applications, which are most applications.
Face it, Flip and Flip3D are useless for the vast majority of applications out there.
Why does registry maintenance scare people so badly? Unless you're installing and uninstalling crap software constantly this is not an issue
Yes, unless you actually use your computer, it's not an issue.
You are only confirming what most of us already know - Windows is a giant pain in the a$$ and has a lot more hassles and issues than OS X. All of these things you have mentioned so far are things I do not have to do in OS X. I can go to any Web site I want, even "shady" sites, and not worry about getting spyware/adware/malware.
I can delete applications and not worry about the Registry still having an entry for it and thinking it should open up that application ever time I double-click on a file that that application supported.
If you are installing and uninstalling crap software constantly, you'd better learn how to manage your registry.
Not in OS X.
Now I know a lot of lazy computer users don't want to learn anything... but that's their problem and being a lazy computer user will screw up ANY OS over time. That's a fact you can't sidestep so don't even try.
Yes, I'd rather use my time to get work done versus getting my Windows PC to work properly.
Some apps share DLL's. That's a fact of life.
Not in OS X.
If common sense decisions scare you this much, perhaps you should stay away from the big scary computers and just use fax machines and telephones?
Or use OS X.
I call bull-crap on this statement. I think by "simple changes" you mean installing and uninstalling stolen crapware you found on Kazaa.
Nope.
http://www.codinghor...ves/000571.html
Paul Thurrott:
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In use, UAC can be annoying, and while you can turn off this feature from within the User Accounts control panel, I advise you not to do so.
In use, UAC can be annoying, and while you can turn off this feature from within the User Accounts control panel, I advise you not to do so.
Guess what: OSX isn't supported at all by 99.9% of the computers in the world. What's your point?
But OS X is fully supported and runs on a 5-year old Mac. My point is my friends system he bought 7 months ago isn't fully supported by Vista's Premium system requirements.
I'm running Vista on an Inspiron 9200 that was purchased in 2004. It's fully supported. Stop crying wolf. Your statements are simply misleading.
Yes, you have a $2,499 laptop from 2004 that has DirectX 9 support, Shader 2, 128 meg video RAM. However, there are many, many PCs sold still today that are not Vista Premium PCs.
Third party software will catch up just as driver development will. Get over it.
And another contradiction. You said something about " it's working flawlessly"?
I don't get the whole OSX/Windows fanboi attitude that - because you love OSX you have to hate Windows and vice-versa.
No, I own both and I think Windows is garbage. Some people have a problem with that.
First of all, people adopted to XP and it became the dominant Windows OS in about a years time.
No. XP was released in 2001 and in 2004 XP was still not the majority.
hat's a fact of life in the IT world because change means giving something different to the idiot down the hall who constantly needs you to fix his computer because he can't log-on and the IT dude has to walk down and hit the capslock key for him 3 times a week. So unless you've ever had to work as an IT guy, you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to upgrading and change and how those transitions can be a rip roaring pain in the butt.
Another contradiction. You just said everything just works flawlessly for you in Vista. You only had to update a driver and patch a couple of games and it only took you a "couple of minutes". So it should be easy for IT to upgrade everyone to Vista.
It has nothing to do with whether or not Vista is "worth it" it has more to do with not rushing to fix things that aren't broken.
IT doesn't decide whether or not a company upgrades to Vista, my friend. But since Vista has so many wonderful security features, I would think IT would want everyone on it too.
Also, as stated above, my best friend upgraded to the latest version because he was forced to because he purchased a Video iPod. This broke some of his older software and now he has to run TWO versions of the OS. How's that for lame?
Which software is he using that won't work under 10.3.9? OS 10.3.9 is not the latest.
