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With the release of Creative Suite 3 on Tuesday, Adobe has completed the largest software release in the company’s history. more

[lwdesign]

I'm excited to see what's new in CS3, and the fact that it now runs natively on MacIntel machines is terrific, but what's not in the suite has me disappointed and dispirited. I've been using Adobe GoLive for all my web design work for years, and I know the program like the back of my hand. I even used the program, formerly called Cyberstudio from a German company called GoLive, before Adobe even bought it. GoLive has helped me build over 60 sites, large and small--but it is no longer a component of CS3, and isn't even listed now on the basic pulldown list on Adobe's site. To find it you have to go to the "All Products" list, and guess what, it hasn't been upgraded and is still listed as GoLive CS2.
Dreamweaver may be a wonderful program, but it's not one I've ever used. So I'm now orphaned or forced to learn a new program and become a novice after being at master level in GoLive/Cyberstudio with over 11 years experience. I did buy Dreamweaver v.3 several years back to test it out and found I didn't like the Macromedia interface nearly as well as the more Adobe-centric GoLive.
While I see Adobe is very willing to capture the existing Macromedia Dreamweaver audience, they also need to take care of the millions of GoLive users who don't necessarily want to switch. So what is it Adobe? How about some kind of announcement about what's happening with GoLive? Will there be a CS3 edition (or whatever version you want to call it) or will it be discontinued in favor of the bigger marketshare? This situation makes me feel like the old Rodney Dangerfield line about going away to summer camp, then coming back home to find his parents had moved (with no forwarding address).
I hate to draw this comparison, but it is rather Microsoftian for Adobe to arbitrarily decide that Dreamweaver is what's best for all us web designers, especially the ones who didn't choose it as their web design app in the first place.
It's cold and lonely out here in the dark Adobe. How about some word about GoLive's future?

[TerryWhite]

There is a New version of Adobe GoLive coming out this Spring/Summer. It will be GoLive 9. It will be a universal binary.
Go here: http://www.adobe.com...live/index.html
for details.

[Fixx]

Seems that old Photoshops are not anymore eligible for upgrading. Pity, Adobe's flexible upgrade policy made it so easy to trust that investments in sw would not ever be lost. Though possibly this is just a typo as there is Photoshop LE listed as eligible for upgrade.

[samrod]

Not to be a party pooper, but when will the Universal After Effects 8 be released?
Is Freehand dead? If not, how will Adobe differentiate it from Illustrator?
How will Adobe differentiate GoLive from DreamWeaver?
Is PostScript licensing still a significant revenue source for Adobe?
Adobe and Apple are so cute together.

[lwdesign]

What displeases me most is that Adobe offers CS3 with only Dreamweaver as the web option. Adobe should offer CS3 Premium with a choice of either Dreamweaver or GoLive for the same price. This would benefit both GL and DW camps.
As it is, it looks like I'll have to upgrade from CS2 to CS3 and get Dreamweaver, then wait until GoLive 9 comes out and pay an additional $169.00 for the priviledge, bringing my upgrade costs to a total of $786.00. Why should I be forced to buy Dreamweaver if I don't intend on using it?
I'm pleased to see Flash as part of the Premium Suite, but if we could only choose between DM and GL it would be a perfect deal. How about it Adobe? Any possibility?

[Jamus]

Kind of odd to see another version of GoLive actually being released.

[lwdesign]

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Kind of odd to see another version of GoLive actually being released.

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Why would this be odd? GoLive is a great web design application, with millions of users around the world. It's been my web design app of choice for over a decade and works great. It's kind of odd that you'd make a comment like that, as if GoLive isn't even worth considering.
There are GoLive plug-ins that aren't available anywhere else, such as BigBangExtensions.com's superlative MenuMachine, which makes creating Java pulldown menus a breeze.

[MacKayaker]

I'm a longtime GoLive user, too - from CyberStudio days . . . And honestly I'm surprised it's still going to be around. My impression was that they were going to take the best of both and roll them into this generation of web page/site creation software. Apparently not. I say the time has come to switch - I can't imagine there will be any significant improvements to GoLive and it's days are numbered with this approach. I'm not looking forward to learning DW, but I've played with the demo and it's not that different. It sucks to loose the knowledge of one to have to move to what may be the best current tool, but hey, I've done it a number of times before. Vectorworks to Pagemaker to Quark to InDesign . . . It's the nature of software tools.

[tmoore44]

Unfortunately I can't check out any of the CS3 info on adobe.com. The site just stalls and this isn't the first time I've had this problem with their site. Anyone else have trouble accessing info on their site?

[Steve_S]

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Why would this be odd? GoLive is a great web design application, with millions of users around the world. It's been my web design app of choice for over a decade and works great. It's kind of odd that you'd make a comment like that, as if GoLive isn't even worth considering.

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It's more likely that Adobe has had an update to Golive in the works for some time, prior to the purchase of Dreamweaver. Probably in an effort to pacify existing GoLive customers, Adobe is releasing the next and probably last version of GoLive.
While I'd agree with you that Golive was a fine program, you need to read the writing on the wall. Dreamweaver is the dominant program in this arena. It was before Adobe purchased Macromedia and Adobe's inclusion of Dreamweaver in it's creative suite has sealed GoLive's fate (eventually). The two programs overlap each other quite a bit. It takes time to do real product integration, longer than it's been since the Macromedia purchase. I'd expect the CS4 version of Dreamweaver to include more of the GoLive features to the point where it may be okay to just let Golive go at that time. Maybe Terry can provide more light on this, but I suspect I'm not to far off base.
Steve

[OM_user]

I'm also sad to see GoLive being somewhat left behind in favor of DW. I've always found GL's interface and overall design approach to be much more accessible than that of DreamWeavers.
What I see in the 2 applications is that GoLive is much easier to learn right up front, especially if you have limited or no web deign experience. But in the long haul, as you dig really deep into the 2 programs, Dreamweaver, (although harder to get a grasp of up front) turns out to be a more comprehensive application. I only wish Adobe had taken the ease of learning and interface use of GoLive and added it to Dreamweaver. But perhaps they have, or are going to? I haven't seen enough of DW CS3 to make any judgements in that respect.
I'm also curious to see what GL 9.0 improvements will hold for us.

[JeffM]

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Seems that old Photoshops are not anymore eligible for upgrading. Pity, Adobe's flexible upgrade policy made it so easy to trust that investments in sw would not ever be lost. Though possibly this is just a typo as there is Photoshop LE listed as eligible for upgrade.

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According to the website, you can upgrade from as far back as Photoshop 7. What is a bit of a short, sharp shock is that doing so has gone up a ton. Making such an upgrade was $549 when going to CS2, with CS3 it's $899.

[horvatic]

Pricing is rediculous and having so many versions is down right confusing and stupid. Reminds me of Microsofts Vista which is the same.