[bjanz]

One of those fixes is Bluetooth A2DP support for the on-board Bluetooth hardware, which will finally allow Apple to support the use of wireless Bluetooth stereo headphones. We have mice, keyboards, cell phone, PDA support via Bluetooth, but not advanced Bluetooth protocols such as A2DP.
Support for A2DP is available from most (every?) manufacturer's Bluetooth USB "dongle" that can be used under OS X, so it is simply inexplicable why Apple doesn't provide the same support for its own built-in hardware. Apple updates other drivers "in the field", so why not Bluetooth?
There are other driver and operating system fixes that can be "backported" to Tiger, and should have been "backported" long ago -- and I say this as someone who has been writing/modifying device drivers and embedded code for various Unix, BSD, and Linux variants for over 20 years.
Come on, Apple. I don't need multiple virtual desktops, and I can buy my own virtualization tools (Parallels, for one). What I do need is fixes for device drivers, file systems, and networking protocols to allow me to continue to use my MacBook PRO with existing off-the-shelf 3rd party Bluetooth hardware until I can install Leopard later this year... in which you have promised A2DP.
burt

[TheTSArt]

For years it seemed whenever Apple made a positive announcement, of any sort, immediately their stock would drop and all the pundits would come out and explain why the positive announcement meant the death of Apple was imminent. All this while the Apple faithful would shake their heads in disbelief at the response... and Apple kept rolling onward, defying those pundits.
So now, Apple makes an announcement that to many of the Apple faithful is quite negative and possibly representative of a new focus... and the pundits are okay with it, it doesn't matter... perhaps it is even positive.
Personally, I'm concerned. Apple has a real shot right now at putting a bigger dent in Windows with the apathy towards Vista. Tiger is great, but you need something new to get people's attention.
I realize there are arguments now about how working on the iPhone is essentially working on OS X Leopard. But is it really? Isn't it likely that a lot of that work is very cell-phone specific and will have little to no impact on the desktop?

[alansky]

Wow! The snowflake is the same as an avalanche argument.
A grain of sand is the same thing as a desert!
4 months equals 4 years!
I never knew that. What a time saver! Thanks!

[alansky]

apple is getting really lax with all of their promises. they've already delayed two things. whats next. oh and don't forget the new iLife that is supposed to come out with it also.
Oh, get real! Apple announces the first significant OS X release delay since OS X's debut in 2001, and you call that "getting really lax?" You must be kidding!
But oh, I forgot. Apple TV was a few weeks late as well. It must be a conspiracy...

[Dan Frakes]

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Let's be fair here; most people who've tested the Apple TV with decent content have been quite impressed by its output quality. A lack of HD content on the iTunes Store is a very different thing than "ho-hum output quality."

[jonyo]

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AppleTV came out late, and is being criticized for its ho-hum output quality.

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Let's be fair here; most people who've tested the Apple TV with decent content have been quite impressed by its output quality. A lack of HD content on the iTunes Store is a very different thing than "ho-hum output quality."

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True. I got my AppleTV about a week ago, and when I feed it high quality input, I get nice high quality output. Actually, it's looks REALLY good when I stream (over 802.11g, I don't have 802.11n) max quality H.264 ripped from DVD. It's true that the iTunes purchased video stuff isn't as high quality as I'd want to buy. However, I didn't buy the AppleTV planning to use it for purchased video content from the iTunes store anyway.
- JonYo

[Shrek220]

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So a 4 year delay and cutting of features is equal to a 4 month delay with no feature loss but improved quality?

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What exactly are you smoking? The people who would be making Leopard the beast it should be are f@rting about with some cellphone OS that will advantage around, oh... about one tenth of one eighth of stuff-all of the Mac folk out there, and you think that's OK?
Wow.

[mrobertson]

If the iPhone is shipping in June and Leopard in October, it stands to reason that the phone will NOT be running a variant of Leopard as its OS. Are people going to invest in a phone that uses obsolete technology in a short period of time OR are they going to have a massive download bill to update the OS on the phone, if that is even possible. (Yes, I know they can use the other network options to download as well.)
It is a lot of money for the old OS.

[Xadin]

So Apple has all this hype right now of how good their business is doing. I'm a PC user, looking forward for the big switch. Doing graphics and photography, Macs are the way to some people say. Waiting till June was bearable for the release of the new OS, now Apple thinks that kids with iPhones are more lucrative than graphics and photo pros willing to buy their $5000+ machines.
What really irritates me is their customer service. As a potential buyer, I was treated like a scumbag.
No.. Apple are as bad as Microsoft. They got nicer, maybe better products, but they are as evil if not worse... and I can't stand those who think that Apple is God.
Let's see how many are going to yell at me with tears in their red eyes to tell me how beter Apple is...

[Moof_in_Charge]

If Apple were as big as MS, Apple would have already delivered Leopard and iPhone, lauched iSatellite and and created the satellite link with the iphone, iTunes, AppleTV, and Mars.
I agree, and in order of appearance, they will look and perform like
Vista and iZune, Ford Pinto in orbit and link iZune to made up credits, Windows XP media edition and the universe.

[Steve_S]

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If the iPhone is shipping in June and Leopard in October, it stands to reason that the phone will NOT be running a variant of Leopard as its OS. Are people going to invest in a phone that uses obsolete technology in a short period of time OR are they going to have a massive download bill to update the OS on the phone, if that is even possible. (Yes, I know they can use the other network options to download as well.)
It is a lot of money for the old OS.

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Huh? Why would you or anyone else care whether the iPhone's version of OS X is based on Tiger or Leopard? Please explain what difference that would make in any functional way? It's not like you'd have the ability to do something like run Time Machine from your iPhone anyway.
Whatever variant of OS X comes with the iPhone will be a stripped down version of the OS with some highly customized additions needed for the mobile OS GUI. Given the timing of the product release, I would actually expect the kernel to be based on what will be shipping in Leopard. Any available evidence seems to support that.
http://www.neowin.ne...t=view&id=37327
Steve

[hagen]

Apple is a small company. They can only do so many things at once thus the roll-on impact. It was predicted that Apple would have a hard time (and less interest) spinning iPhone variants to stay competitive in the cel phone market place. Extrapolate that against a small company and it's obvious that trade-offs are inevitable.
Wishing things in your favour does not change reality.

[hagen]

Apple is a small company. They can only do so many things at once thus the roll-on impact. It was predicted that Apple would have a hard time (and less interest) spinning iPhone variants to stay competitive in the cel phone market place. Extrapolate that against a small company and it's obvious that trade-offs are inevitable.
Wishing things in your favour does not change reality.
Yes I too am very disappointed since I was keen to see 10.5 and would buy it. I am not in apple's target market for the phone since I only use a phone for basic emergency calls. And I will buy 10.5 whenever it arrives. So will you and Apple knows that.
At least you should be happy that Apple will release a quality product (not like MS after 6 years of development and delivering a beta product).

[OM_user]

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No it wasn't. It was under development for about 5 years, not delayed that long. There's actually a big difference. I agree that the Vista delays far out-shadow any Leopard delays, but let's be accurate in our statements shall we?
If we want to compare apples to apples here, we can say that Leopard has been "delayed" for over 2 years now, since that's probably how long it's been under development, more or less.