[hautster]

I don't think it's that big of a deal. If someone is a video editor, they're not even interested in a machine that doesn't have a video card, and (hopefully) they're smart enough to know the difference. It's the same thing with gamers. Serious Mac gamers would steer clear of the MB, Mini and low-end iMac. (Plus, I don't think editing video on a 13" screen is all that friendly to the eye!)
Of course, a MB with a dedicated card is on my wish list, too, but I realize it's probably not giong to happen unless it gets a major overhaul.

[MacDracor]

I could have been mistaken, but I was just drooling over the DVDSP page and it said that you could use either traditional red laser or the new blue laser format for HD projects. Isn't that referring to Blu-Ray and HD DVD?

[droidworx]

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I could have been mistaken, but I was just drooling over the DVDSP page and it said that you could use either traditional red laser or the new blue laser format for HD projects. Isn't that referring to Blu-Ray and HD DVD?

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DVDSP supports HD-DVD only in its current iteration....
Makes you wonder if Apple is playing the waiting game as well as everyone else out there.

[tallscot]

Motion is still playing catch up with After Effects, and some of the new featues are just copies of Trapcode plugs most motion graphics designers already have.
You keep on using pre-comps and rendering RAM previews. I'll use Motion 3.

[cincytee]

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"Its" -- the possessive takes no apostrophe. It's an easy and common mistake, but it can make readers question larger-scale accuracy as well. That would be a shame, given your generally fine coverage.

[tallscot]

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I could have been mistaken, but I was just drooling over the DVDSP page and it said that you could use either traditional red laser or the new blue laser format for HD projects. Isn't that referring to Blu-Ray and HD DVD?

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DVDSP supports HD-DVD only in its current iteration....
Makes you wonder if Apple is playing the waiting game as well as everyone else out there.

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The latest Encore supports Blue-ray. There's a $599 Blue-ray drive for the Mac I have my eye on that gives me 50 gigs of storage on one disc.
Couldn't you output from DVD SP as files and then use Toast to burn to Blue-ray? I don't know, I'm asking.

[Steve_S]

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If you tell me that the MacBook wasn't made for this that is rubbish, because at the price point the MacBook sells for it should be able to.

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I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. Believe it! Apple draws a very clear line between it's consumer and professional lines of both hardware and software. Could the pro applications be written to accommodate the limitations of the integrated Intel graphics? Sure, but at the cost of some of the cutting edge effects Apple uses for its applications.
Apple, like any application developer, has the choice of supporting the lowest common denominator or pushing the envelope for it's pro customers. In terms of Apple's Pro applications, I believe Apple is doing the right thing.

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Steve

[pixelcruncher]

If real-time quickie fx are what your business needs, Motion can't be beat. Some of our graphics are dozens of layers deep and rely on integration with 3D apps. It'll never be real-time. And what's wrong with pre-comps? /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif That's simply a tool to build your process tree and organize your footage and effects. Have you never edited a sequence into another sequence in Final Cut? That's a "pre-comp". Have you ever sent a clip from Final Cut to Motion or another editor? Edit it in Motion and it changes in Final Cut. That's a "pre-comp". And you always have to render it back in Final Cut anyway - so Final Cut/Motion has the exact same issues.
That's not to say it isn't a great tool for creating elements that we use in design work. It's like a supercharged plug-in.

[moose_n_squirrel]

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If you tell me that the MacBook wasn't made for this that is rubbish, because at the price point the MacBook sells for it should be able to.

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The low MacBook price point? At $1049 (educational), my starving college friend with a PC-using history picked it over Dell alternatives because it was a better deal. At $1099 retail, the hardware is so cheap it costs two hundred dollars less than the Final Cut Studio software you expect to run on it!

[tallscot]

what's wrong with pre-comps?
Separate timelines I have to jump between. It's completely unnecessary if you have a Layers palette, which Motion has. I wish AE did.
How much have you used Motion?

[pixelcruncher]

I've got a Motion on all our workstations thanks to Final Cut Studio, but only one of my guys actually has taken the time to learn it. We use it for quick backgrounds and some fun particle fx, but in general, I haven't been too pleased with Motion's (or FCP's) color correction plugs or motion blur. I think many software vendors miss the boat when they speak of real-time. Motion blur (on just about anything that moves),3D lighting, and depth of field effects (rack focus and a lens blur - not a fast or gaussian blur) almost ensure that many motion graphics won't be "real-time". So real-time is great for pre-viz, but when you're tweaking for that final "look", it's always going to be slow going, no matter what app your using.

[tallscot]

I've got a Motion on all our workstations thanks to Final Cut Studio, but only one of my guys actually has taken the time to learn it.
OK, that's kind of what I thought based on what you said about pre-comps.
No offense, but your comments about Motion are off-base. It's a great application that has a lot more depth than "nice FX" and backgrounds. When you get Motion 3, you should sit down and learn it. You'll thank me. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[mikeharpe]

My bet is there will not be any more work done on DVDSP until the format wars settle down some more. There's just no point in rushing it. The price for taking the wrong side is just too high.

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My bet is there will not be any more work done on DVDSP until the format wars settle down some more. There's just no point in rushing it. The price for taking the wrong side is just too high.

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It's not like you have a choice anyway, right? If you want Motion or Soundtrack, you get DVD SP whether you want it or not.
I'm going to pick up Encore just to do Blue-ray, and so I can assign the same End Jump to multiple tracks at the same time. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif