[maflynn]

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OK, I'll add to the quote mess a little:
Wrong! The finder DOES provide icon spacing, you're just ignorant.
being dragged.
Try column view bonehead!
OK, you're just an idiot
iMovie ships free on every Mac sold for several years now... bonehead!
OK, you're really just a moron.

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You know being so derogatory is not called for and insulting the OP is not needed not does not foster communication.
Ever think that the OP is not a seasoned Mac user and is unaware of some of the finer nuances of OSX to which you decided to call him an idiot for not knowing.
Besides some of your answers were also wrong, take security, its not up to the applications to prompt for a password but the OS, as its required whenever an installer need to write to the library folder.

[Nobody]

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And why is fair to compare a "fully patched" Windows to a Mac OS X "out of the box?" You either compare both when fully patched, or both when out of the box, not compare them in an unfair way.

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Wait wait, Windows users never say there box is secure out of the box, Isn't it the Mac users & Mac ads which state that there Mac is secure out of the box? Then shouldn't I follow what Apple says compare their OS at default out of the box state with a fully patched Vista.

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Sorry. Wrong. Nvidia and ATI write the drivers for the cards.

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Nope, Graphics Card manufactures just supply the OpenGL Layer code to Apple which Apple audits & compiles for Mac OS X as per required

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Please give a detailed explanation of why more memory storage would improve speed.

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Windows XP runs fine on a very bad gaming GPU called Intel Extreme Graphics. GMA 950 has poor gaming performance, but it has more than enough data fill rate & Texel fill rate, along with enough bandwidth for an OS to run. Why do u think GMA X3000 & X3100 are able to run Windows Vista so easily?
In such case to run an OS, a 128 MB Frame buffer is always better, cos it is not frame rates which matter, it is how much data (windows showing on screen is also a texture in Vista & Mac) you can put in the memory. The more memory, the better.

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I can't believe how simplistic your logic is. Given proper cooling technique (fans, heatsinks, vents, etc), it doesn't matter how thin you go. Again, thin doesn't imply heat problem.

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Ya, everyone is well aware of the news which comes out these days stating "macbook swallowed" or "Macbook caught fire even after refurbished battery"

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Let's say you have 5 word documents, 6 IM windows, and 12 browser windows open. In Windows, in order to get to the 3rd IM window, you might have to tab through all those windows (reading the text for each one because the alttab window uses generic icons for each window) in order to get to it. On a Mac, command-tab to the relevant app, then command-tilde to the relevant window. You avoid a large number of keystrokes and get to your destination faster. Concrete.

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In Vista, just press altTab & you get thumbnail preview of all running applications, just look at what u need & mouse click on it. Simple like this:
[image]http://i13.tinypic.com/67y8q3b.jpg

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Wrong! You don't even have to cut and paste. You simply hold down the Command key while dragging your file to wherever else you want to copy it and it physically removes the file from where it is and puts it where you drop it.

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You don't even need to press commanddrag, just drag. But hey, dragging is possible in Windows too & dragging is not equal to cut paste.

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Wrong! The finder DOES provide icon spacing, you're just ignorant.

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Well, If I m ignorant, then plz show me where it is. I will remove it from the flaw list.

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If you really closed an app, it would exit. You are only closing document windows. Personally, I use CommandQ to close apps in Windows as well, so to me Windows and Mac work the same here. You can close apps from the Command-Tab bar, which is a step up from Windows where I do not think you can close apps from the Alt-Tab bar. You can also close apps by right-clicking the Dock icons.

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Close apps does not means exiting them

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Ever heard of MacUpdate, MacApper, VersionTracker, iUseThis or any other site that offers thousands upon thousands of apps available for the Mac?

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Yup I did, & none of these provided me a free text editor, or a good enough photo manager or a media player which can play my WMA files.

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You create a file with an application, how can you create a new file in windows? Even in windows a file is created within an application. If you mean folder then shift-apple-n will create a folder in the finder or just select new folder from the menu

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I guess you have never seen this:
[image]http://i17.tinypic.com/67hmc1s.jpg

[Brammy]

This article gives a decent overview of the security differences between Mac and Windows: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2139856,00.asp?kc=EWKNLNAV060107FEA1

Its' also worth mentioning that even a fully protected Windows machine is still subject to a lot of spyware issues. I haven't used Windows Defender to see if it handles that issue better.

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Yup I did, & none of these provided me a free text editor, or a good enough photo manager or a media player which can play my WMA files.

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NeoOffice: Free, good Word Processor. For straight Text, TextEdit, free as part of the OS.
Flip4Mac: I believe this will play non-protected WMA files.
Photo Manager: Sometimes, I still think folder in Finder is the best option 90% of the time. I have an Automator Finder Action I use to rename all the images in a folder from DC000010.jpg to Vacation2006_10.jpg. I use Xee to simulate the filmstrip view from Windows Picture Viewer.

[d00d]

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Wait wait, Windows users never say there box is secure out of the box, Isn't it the Mac users & Mac ads which state that there Mac is secure out of the box? Then shouldn't I follow what Apple says compare their OS at default out of the box state with a fully patched Vista.

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Nope, you just made a strawman.

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Nope, Graphics Card manufactures just supply the OpenGL Layer code to Apple which Apple audits & compiles for Mac OS X as per required

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Exactly. Nvidia and ATI write the drivers. Do you realize you're contradicting yourself?

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Windows XP runs fine on a very bad gaming GPU called Intel Extreme Graphics. GMA 950 has poor gaming performance, but it has more than enough data fill rate & Texel fill rate, along with enough bandwidth for an OS to run. Why do u think GMA X3000 & X3100 are able to run Windows Vista so easily?

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They're better chipsets.

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In such case to run an OS, a 128 MB Frame buffer is always better, cos it is not frame rates which matter, it is how much data (windows showing on screen is also a texture in Vista & Mac) you can put in the memory. The more memory, the better.

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More is not always better. You still haven't explained why using more system RAM as video RAM would necessarily improve performance. If anything, you're assuming the limiting factor is how much data it needs. If that were the case, then standalone video cards with their own 64 MB of RAM wouldn't perform better. They do.

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Ya, everyone is well aware of the news which comes out these days stating "macbook swallowed" or "Macbook caught fire even after refurbished battery"

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MacBook swallowed? What are you going on about? You're talking about battery issues. So again, you're using middle school logic.

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In Vista, just press altTab & you get thumbnail preview of all running applications, just look at what u need & mouse click on it. Simple like this:

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Oh, just like Expose. Except the thumbnails are smaller. And if you're using the keyboard, you need to use just as many keystrokes (more than with the Mac).

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You don't even need to press commanddrag, just drag. But hey, dragging is possible in Windows too & dragging is not equal to cut paste.

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Not between volumes.

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Close apps does not means exiting them

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What does this even mean?

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Yup I did, & none of these provided me a free text editor, or a good enough photo manager or a media player which can play my WMA files.

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I'll help you because you're apparently completely inept. TextWrangler is free. As for "good enough photo manager", you seem unhappy with iPhoto, why? Finally, thank Microsoft for a closed proprietary format that the refuse to support on other platforms.

[Nobody]

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Nope, you just made a strawman.

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Nope, I just mentioned what Mac ads said.

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Exactly. Nvidia and ATI write the drivers. Do you realize you're contradicting yourself?

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Did you forget to read? I said, NVIDIA & ATI gives the OpenGL drivers to Apple which audits them for there OS. It is same as NVIDIA & ATI giving drivers to Microsoft for WHQL Logo, & WHQLed drivers hardly ever crash.

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More is not always better. You still haven't explained why using more system RAM as video RAM would necessarily improve performance. If anything, you're assuming the limiting factor is how much data it needs. If that were the case, then standalone video cards with their own 64 MB of RAM wouldn't perform better. They do.

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Ask any expert gamer on this one. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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MacBook swallowed? What are you going on about? You're talking about battery issues. So again, you're using middle school logic.

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Yup, talking about pathetic quality control

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Oh, just like Expose. Except the thumbnails are smaller. And if you're using the keyboard, you need to use just as many keystrokes (more than with the Mac).

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ROFL
Fliptab is mubh better then expose for Windows. Expose is good, but it is good for Mac OS X & isn't required on Windows UI.

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Not between volumes.

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I don't what you wanted to say, but in case you want me to enlighten you, here is an eye opener for u.
(http://rapidshare.com/files/35006524/Volumedraging.avi.html) Draging some files from E: drive to c: drive vis Windows Explorer.
I kept the cursor static so that you can see it in action to see whats happening. Comon nepcker, this is plain stupid. You are denying the existence of simple features which are there since Windows 98.
I tried textwragler, 9 MB for notepad, wow talk about efficiency. No wonder dll is better as it can be compressed in so many ways.

[d00d]

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Nope, I just mentioned what Mac ads said.

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Please give the URL and exact line from a Mac ad that compares an unpatched Mac with a fully patched Windows PC.

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Did you forget to read? I said, NVIDIA & ATI gives the OpenGL drivers to Apple which audits them for there OS. It is same as NVIDIA & ATI giving drivers to Microsoft for WHQL Logo, & WHQLed drivers hardly ever crash.

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Let's roll back the video tape. You said that there were limited video card options for Macs because Apple didn't make drivers for the rest. ATI and Nvidia develop the drivers (I really hope you can wrap your head around this concept). They don't make them for other cards. They make the OS X drivers to cards being manufactured for Macs only.

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Ask any expert gamer on this one.

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There is no group worse than gamers when it comes to people that think they know a lot about computer hardware and software when they really don't.

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Yup, talking about pathetic quality control

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No, you were talking about a slim form factor causing premature failure. The failures you just mentioned were unrelated to form factor and in fact, were caused by faulty batteries that were in a number of manufacturer's PCs sold by Sony. And this is coming from the guy that said Mac hardware wasn't bad.

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Fliptab is mubh better then expose for Windows. Expose is good, but it is good for Mac OS X & isn't required on Windows UI.

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Why is fliptab better? Smaller thumbnails? And then you say that Expose isn't required in the Windows UI, but ignore the fact that fliptab is.

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I don't what you wanted to say, but in case you want me to enlighten you, here is an eye opener for u.

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I would have downloaded the video (as you seem unable to communicate in text) but the video play failed (on a Windows PC I have access to).

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I tried textwragler, 9 MB for notepad, wow talk about efficiency. No wonder dll is better as it can be compressed in so many ways.

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TextWrangler is a tad more advanced than Notepad (like a million times). If you want something simple (which I should have guessed to begin with), check out TextEdit, in your Applications folder right now. As for DLL being better, again, you're showing yourself as a troll.

[Nobody]

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Please give the URL and exact line from a Mac ad that compares an unpatched Mac with a fully patched Windows PC.

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See Mac Ad, about "Virus". Mac says "We do not get virus at all"

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No, you were talking about a slim form factor causing premature failure. The failures you just mentioned were unrelated to form factor and in fact, were caused by faulty batteries that were in a number of manufacturer's PCs sold by Sony. And this is coming from the guy that said Mac hardware wasn't bad.

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I am not talking about the battery recall worldwide. I am talking about the various news we can read on engadget or ars or neowin.

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Why is fliptab better? Smaller thumbnails? And then you say that Expose isn't required in the Windows UI, but ignore the fact that fliptab is.

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Why is expose better? Small thumbnail? Is a feature available in Windows since 2002 (with powertoy) is a clone of a Expose which came in 2004 or not.

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I would have downloaded the video (as you seem unable to communicate in text) but the video play failed (on a Windows PC I have access to).

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Fellow members, did anyone else had the problem to play the video? If not then d00d, you don't know how to use Windows or how to install codec.

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As for DLL being better, again, you're showing yourself as a troll.

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Shell I with the help of any developer prove why dll = dynamic link library is better then bin = binary file.

[Brammy]

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See Mac Ad, about "Virus". Mac says "We do not get virus at all"

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Actually, the lines go like this:
PC: Last year there were 114,000 known viruses for PCs.
Mac: PCs, not Macs.
However, if you read the link I posted earlier about viruses you can see where security professionals have touted how much virus-free the Mac is over the PC.

[d00d]

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See Mac Ad, about "Virus". Mac says "We do not get virus at all"

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My god. You get the name of the spot wrong. You make up a nonexistent quote. Then you can't even use proper English.

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I am not talking about the battery recall worldwide. I am talking about the various news we can read on engadget or ars or neowin.

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And what does that even have to do with Mac laptops being too thin? Do you have ADHD?

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Why is expose better? Small thumbnail? Is a feature available in Windows since 2002 (with powertoy) is a clone of a Expose which came in 2004 or not.

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Expose is better because it uses larger, live updating thumnails that can be all open windows or only those of the current application and invoking it doesn't automatically switch context. Further, Expose shows you where those thumbails come from as it creates the thumbnails. And you need something extra in order to get that feature?

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Fellow members, did anyone else had the problem to play the video? If not then d00d, you don't know how to use Windows or how to install codec.

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Yeah, I guess it's too bad you didn't use Quicktime or a standard like MPEG4 where it actually works.

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Shell I with the help of any developer prove why dll = dynamic link library is better then bin = binary file.

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Guess what. I am a developer.

[drmbb]

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Shell I with the help of any developer prove why dll = dynamic link library is better then bin = binary file.

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This whole statement is just confusing, at least to me
A dll is a binary format file, and it does contain portions of executable binary code. On the OS X side, at least you should be comparing dll's to shared libraries (which, like dll's consist of code and resources shared by multiple applications).
I'm no hard core developer, but at least be consistent and compare oranges to oranges, not generic fruit to vegetables, or whereever you were going with that statement. A bin=binary file could be referring to an image/sound theme for a game - it does not inherently imply anything about an OS or a computing platform.
A dll is certainly analogous to a shared library, but binary ain't got nothin' to do with it.

[Nobody]

Okay, here are the flaws of the Mac again. If any of my points are incorrect, plz correct them.
1) Mac has no cut option
2) No DirectX means not enough games
3) No ReadyDrive feature
4) No Exchange server (Without MS products)
5) Lack of 3rd party applications
6) No ability to show the content on a secondary smaller screen, a.k.a Nvidia Preface/ Windows SideShow
7) Can't use USB Flash drives as temporary RAM
8 ) Doesn't provide a compelling file management systems.
9) Doesn't comes with a proper Photo Management application
10) Far more expensive then what they should be charged with. Even people of USA & Europe admit it.
11) No Media Center Capability/ Pathetic TV tuner support. There is only one EyeTV which works with there own TV Tuner card.
12) Lack of 3rd party hardware support, only Apple supplied & some of the Apple certified products work. Try plugging an Hauppage TV Tuner card in Mac or XFX 8600GT PCIe
13) Can't be upgraded like PCs
14) Mac pro is the only "Desktop" which starts at $2400 & cannot be upgraded. You cannot buy after market Core 2 Duo & replace the existing CPU in it.
15) Mac mini is no value for money. It is only small. A CPU without any graphics card -- you call that viable?
16) Dock doesn't groups similar application windows.
17) If a program is not native, it runs slow.
18 ) If you are using some USB Drive, you must eject it else the files in it might get curropt even though they are not in use. You must eject it, unlike Windows where when the write operation is complete, you can pull it out easily.
19) You cannot resize a Window from any side, just the south east side.
20) If you select multiple folders in Finder & right click to "Get Info", you are left with 6 panes with individual info & not a combined info together like Windows, which shows the total folder size or number of files etc.
21) There is no backup restore option. There is no system restore option either.
22) More which I don't have time here to write.

[d00d]

1) Mac has no cut option The Finder has no cut option.
2) No DirectX means not enough games Yeah, OS X doesn't include a proprietary Microsoft technology. The game situation is a bit more complicated than this simplistic explanation.
3) No ReadyDrive feature As these drives become more prevalent, I have no doubt OS X will support them.
4) No Exchange server (Without MS products) You need Microsoft products for a Microsoft proprietary technology? Shocking.
5) Lack of 3rd party applications There are plenty of third party applications, hardly a lack. There are fewer than Windows, but I'm not missing the 300 versions of Barbie's Dreamhouse.
6) No ability to show the content on a secondary smaller screen, a.k.a Nvidia Preface/ Windows SideShow Interesting, but without adjoining hardware, it's irrelevant.
7) Can't use USB Flash drives as temporary RAM Band aid way to deal with a lack of RAM, but it would still be nice to see.
8 ) Doesn't provide a compelling file management systems. You'll have to explain this one.
9) Doesn't comes with a proper Photo Management application Most people find iPhoto wonderful and even "proper".
10) Far more expensive then what they should be charged with. Even people of USA & Europe admit it. This isn't universally true. The Mac Pro is actually priced competitively and the others aren't that much more expensive.
11) No Media Center Capability/ Pathetic TV tuner support. There is only one EyeTV which works with there own TV Tuner card. There's more than one EyeTV offering and other companies that offer their own products.
12) Lack of 3rd party hardware support, only Apple supplied & some of the Apple certified products work. Try plugging an Hauppage TV Tuner card in Mac or XFX 8600GT PCIe This is hardly as you portray. There is plenty of third party hardware supported by Macs.
13) Can't be upgraded like PCs Particularly recently, upgrading is a sucker's game.
14) Mac pro is the only "Desktop" which starts at $2400 & cannot be upgraded. You cannot buy after market Core 2 Duo & replace the existing CPU in it. Yes, it can.

15) Mac mini is no value for money. It is only small. A CPU without any graphics card -- you call that viable? Many people find the form factor and functionality quite favorable. You don't.

16) Dock doesn't groups similar application windows. Except that a particular application's windows are accessible through its dock icon's menu.

17) If a program is not native, it runs slow. It runs slower than native, but the performance is quite good. Besides, Windows can't run non-native programs.

18 ) If you are using some USB Drive, you must eject it else the files in it might get curropt even though they are not in use. You must eject it, unlike Windows where when the write operation is complete, you can pull it out easily. Actually sparky, Windows has a "safe removal" option that's meant to protect against write actions taking place while the drive is being removed, just like eject. If OS X isn't writing to the USB drive, it's not going to corrupt it either.

19) You cannot resize a Window from any side, just the south east side. I personally find edge resizing awkward, but sure.

20) If you select multiple folders in Finder & right click to "Get Info", you are left with 6 panes with individual info & not a combined info together like Windows, which shows the total folder size or number of files etc. Actually, Mac OS X can do both.

21) There is no backup restore option. There is no system restore option either. Wait a few months.
22) More which I don't have time here to write. You could have fooled me that you don't have time. You repeated earlier points like a broken record.

[drmbb]

Actually, with regards to #21 - Disk Utility has always had the ability to backup/clone and restore (hence the "restore" tab section).
And, I'd also point out the inferiority of most mass-market Windows boxes, which do NOT ship with full system restore discs. They typically come with a restore partition, from which discs may be made, but it is up to the owner to provide the media, and take the time to make the restore set - hopefully before the system goes kablooey! Personally, I detest the restore partition "feature" of windows machines.

[Dan Frakes]

Ah, the joys of arguing with the uninformed (or, worse, the purposely misinformed) /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif