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#29 User is offline   Brammy Icon

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 12:41 PM

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Ah, the joys of arguing with the uninformed (or, worse, the purposely misinformed) /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


If that isn't what the Internet was designed for, I don't know what it was.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:10 PM

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If that isn't what the Internet was designed for, I don't know what it was.


/forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Pr0n of course was the real reason for the creation of the internet - everyone knows that. Anything else has just been thrown out there to give plausible deniability to that fact. That's why the pr0n publishers invented SPAM and Trolls too. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 06:14 PM

I'm a masochist, I must be.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 06:48 PM

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Ah, the joys of arguing with the uninformed (or, worse, the purposely misinformed) /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


If that isn't what the Internet was designed for, I don't know what it was.



One of my favorite Dilbert strips:

Frame One: The office employee that looks like a rat is sitting in front of his computer and thinks, "I want to debate with people on the Internet, but I worry that I'm not smart enough."

Frame Two: "Maybe I'll just read what the smart people are saying..."

Frame Three: "Okay, I'm in."
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 05:41 AM

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My god. You get the name of the spot wrong. You make up a nonexistent quote. Then you can't even use proper English.


No sorry, when i write in a forum what matters for me is to convey my message, not literature.
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And what does that even have to do with Mac laptops being too thin? Do you have ADHD?


This has to do with the overheating problem with Mac, now do i have to clarify everything. I am sure now that you are so immature in understanding something
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Expose is better because it uses larger, live updating thumnails that can be all open windows or only those of the current application and invoking it doesn't automatically switch context.


FlipTab has been doing this for quite some time already. Those thumbnails in fliptab are also Live. Same goes with the context switch.
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Further, Expose shows you where those thumbails come from as it creates the thumbnails. And you need something extra in order to get that feature?


Plz clarify this to me
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Yeah, I guess it's too bad you didn't use Quicktime or a standard like MPEG4 where it actually works.


MPEG4 = Standard, You must be joking right, no seriously r u high today.
A standard is something which i widely used & accepted by majority of people. IN this context the standard in videos out there is avi or DivX
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Guess what. I am a developer.


Then tell me why dll is good/bad.
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A dll is a binary format file, and it does contain portions of executable binary code. On the OS X side, at least you should be comparing dll's to shared libraries (which, like dll's consist of code and resources shared by multiple applications).


I just said it, sorry I don't know about how dll or bin works.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 08:00 AM

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1) Mac has no cut option The Finder has no cut option.
2) No DirectX means not enough games Yeah, OS X doesn't include a proprietary Microsoft technology. The game situation is a bit more complicated than this simplistic explanation.
3) No ReadyDrive feature As these drives become more prevalent, I have no doubt OS X will support them.
4) No Exchange server (Without MS products) You need Microsoft products for a Microsoft proprietary technology? Shocking.
5) Lack of 3rd party applications There are plenty of third party applications, hardly a lack. There are fewer than Windows, but I'm not missing the 300 versions of Barbie's Dreamhouse.
6) No ability to show the content on a secondary smaller screen, a.k.a Nvidia Preface/ Windows SideShow Interesting, but without adjoining hardware, it's irrelevant.
7) Can't use USB Flash drives as temporary RAM Band aid way to deal with a lack of RAM, but it would still be nice to see.
8 ) Doesn't provide a compelling file management systems. You'll have to explain this one.
9) Doesn't comes with a proper Photo Management application Most people find iPhoto wonderful and even "proper".
10) Far more expensive then what they should be charged with. Even people of USA & Europe admit it. This isn't universally true. The Mac Pro is actually priced competitively and the others aren't that much more expensive.
11) No Media Center Capability/ Pathetic TV tuner support. There is only one EyeTV which works with there own TV Tuner card. There's more than one EyeTV offering and other companies that offer their own products.
12) Lack of 3rd party hardware support, only Apple supplied & some of the Apple certified products work. Try plugging an Hauppage TV Tuner card in Mac or XFX 8600GT PCIe This is hardly as you portray. There is plenty of third party hardware supported by Macs.
13) Can't be upgraded like PCs Particularly recently, upgrading is a sucker's game.
14) Mac pro is the only "Desktop" which starts at $2400 & cannot be upgraded. You cannot buy after market Core 2 Duo & replace the existing CPU in it. Yes, it can.

15) Mac mini is no value for money. It is only small. A CPU without any graphics card -- you call that viable? Many people find the form factor and functionality quite favorable. You don't.

16) Dock doesn't groups similar application windows. Except that a particular application's windows are accessible through its dock icon's menu.

17) If a program is not native, it runs slow. It runs slower than native, but the performance is quite good. Besides, Windows can't run non-native programs.

18 ) If you are using some USB Drive, you must eject it else the files in it might get curropt even though they are not in use. You must eject it, unlike Windows where when the write operation is complete, you can pull it out easily. Actually sparky, Windows has a "safe removal" option that's meant to protect against write actions taking place while the drive is being removed, just like eject. If OS X isn't writing to the USB drive, it's not going to corrupt it either.

19) You cannot resize a Window from any side, just the south east side. I personally find edge resizing awkward, but sure.

20) If you select multiple folders in Finder & right click to "Get Info", you are left with 6 panes with individual info & not a combined info together like Windows, which shows the total folder size or number of files etc. Actually, Mac OS X can do both.

21) There is no backup restore option. There is no system restore option either. Wait a few months.
22) More which I don't have time here to write. You could have fooled me that you don't have time. You repeated earlier points like a broken record.


1) And what is finder? The File manager for Mac OS X, now I hope you don't say to me that Cut option is not necessary in a File browser & maanger
2) OpenGL is there, do we see all openGL games porting to Mac OS X?
3) Obviously it will after copying from MS.
4) Not quite, what about Lotus Notes?
5) You still have to find me a proper WMA Player.
6) Lolz...ya right.
Macboy Philosophy : If a features is not there in Mac OS X, it is not worth using or irrelevant.
7) Again, after copying from Windows Vista
9) iPhoto is not bundled with Mac OS X but with Mac (hardware). In that case Adobe Photoshop Album is also bundled with Dell or HP computers which kicks iPhoto.
10) Umm, how many graphics cards, sound cards does Mac Pro support d00d?
11) Show me, do show me aN equivalent to Media center in Mac OS X with full TV/CableTV/Cable Card/ DVR/ functionality
12) I never said "No", I said "Lack". It is available, even Microsoft hardware is supported but you just can't go to market, buy a hardware & expect it to work in Mac. Can you? Just tell me this about a Hauppage TV Tuner card
13) So, upgrading RAM is called upgrading? Gr8, what about harddisk, DVD Writer, Graphics Card, X-Fi Audio cards?
14) Lolz...no it can't Mac Pro comes with XEON which uses a different socket compared to Core 2 Duo & Xeons cost a lot, how stupid can u get:D. Try inserting a C2D in Xeon Socket
15) Lets see, Apple TV comes with a GeForce 7300 Go while Mac Mini comes with GMA 950. Yup, very much value for money it seems /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
16) However it still doesn't shows how many Windows that application has. It is somewhat similar to taskbar grouping but still not close.
17) I meant native to Mac OS X, so if a program runs slower then native isn't that slow? Isn't that I was saying or do u have some problem in reading.
About Windows not running non-native application. Lolz...All Win32 applications are native to Windows starting from DOS to today.
18) Nope it corrupted my pen drive which I then had to format in Windows.
19) After copying from Windows after 10 years.
21) About Time Machine: After copying from Win....blah blah blah
About Disk Utility: Umm...System restore is there since 1999 in Windows ME. so Mac is lacking in feature & is behind. Tell me, how does it backs up? as a disk image or just files.
22) From what I see, you are frustrated.
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And, I'd also point out the inferiority of most mass-market Windows boxes, which do NOT ship with full system restore discs. They typically come with a restore partition, from which discs may be made, but it is up to the owner to provide the media, and take the time to make the restore set - hopefully before the system goes kablooey! Personally, I detest the restore partition "feature" of windows machines.


Ever tried asking for a OEM DVD from the OEM manufacturer?
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:01 AM

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1) And what is finder? The File manager for Mac OS X, now I hope you don't say to me that Cut option is not necessary in a File browser & maanger


I can live with out it. Not being able to Move something from one volume to another and deleting the source is kinda a pain, but I don't need to do it much so I don't lose any sleep over it.
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2) OpenGL is there, do we see all openGL games porting to Mac OS X?


Because, obviously, the OpenGL graphics code is only a part of what a program needs to run. OSX native code needs to be there, too. I hope with Cider we'll see more ports of games. However, while it's not a clean work around, you can use bootcamp if you have to until this gap narrows. I think it'll get better, but the Macs overall low market share might be more of a factor.
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3) Obviously it will after copying from MS.



Never been an issue for me.
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4) Not quite, what about Lotus Notes?



Haven't used Notes, but Mail can connect to Exchange.
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5) You still have to find me a proper WMA Player.



http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=wmaplayerosx&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2
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6) Lolz...ya right.



Not sure what the argument is here. Are you saying you can't use a secondary display and span the display across it? You can, I do it all the time.

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7) Again, after copying from Windows Vista


Actually, never thought of using USB drives as extra ram.
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9) iPhoto is not bundled with Mac OS X but with Mac (hardware). In that case Adobe Photoshop Album is also bundled with Dell or HP computers which kicks iPhoto.



iPhoto isn't bad. I usually just organize folders and put my pictures in them for reference. I end up needing to so something with it after the fact and keeping it native works for me.
But, I don't see what your issue is. Any Mac you buy from at least two years ago ships with at least some version of iPhoto/iLife. If you buy a used machine and it comes with the system disks you can reinstall it any time you want. The only way you can't get ilife is if you buy a really old Mac and don't get the system discs with it. In which case your argument has no water since that's like saying no laptop comes with a power cord; it shipped with one, just someoen didn't give it to you when they resold it.
Now, a better argument is since iLife has been touted in the commercials as being so integral to the Mac experience, that the next version of iLife should be included in Leopard. And that I think many will agree with you on.
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10) Umm, how many graphics cards, sound cards does Mac Pro support d00d?



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11) Show me, do show me aN equivalent to Media center in Mac OS X with full TV/CableTV/Cable Card/ DVR/ functionality


There aren't and there are options to get around it via 3rd party. Me, I prefer my Tivo and Tivo-to-go (or TivoDecoder).
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12) I never said "No", I said "Lack". It is available, even Microsoft hardware is supported but you just can't go to market, buy a hardware & expect it to work in Mac. Can you? Just tell me this about a Hauppage TV Tuner card

is that an OSX issue or Hauppage's issue. If Hauppage want's their stuff to work on OSX, shouldn't they write the drivers for it?

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16) However it still doesn't shows how many Windows that application has. It is somewhat similar to taskbar grouping but still not close.


This is really just a different strokes for different folks thing. Or a case of someone gets so used to one thing being a certian way they don't like any alternative. You can see how many you have open, but not an exact count. Can't say as I miss it much, tho.
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18) Nope it corrupted my pen drive which I then had to format in Windows.


I've had this same problem. For what it's worth, you should do this in Windows but it seems to be forgiving. I think it has to do with the Unix undercode not liking drives unmounted properly.
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19) After copying from Windows after 10 years.


Actually, I miss double clicking on the title bar and maximising more.
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21) About Time Machine: After copying from Win....blah blah blah


I must have missed something. Time Machine lets me go back and recover a version of a Word document I created 2 months ago and made changes to every day, and be able to go back two weeks and get that week's version. It's not just a system restore like in WIndows. Can you show me a link to this built into Windows XP?
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About Disk Utility: Umm...System restore is there since 1999 in Windows ME. so Mac is lacking in feature & is behind. Tell me, how does it backs up? as a disk image or just files.

it's a mountable disk image if my memory is right.
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Ever tried asking for a OEM DVD from the OEM manufacturer?


Oddly, I paid extra for a set from Dell and never got it, not matter how many times I bugged them.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:48 AM

Just a note, I will not be responding anymore. It's clear you're a troll. Have a nice day.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:50 AM

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Ever tried asking for a OEM DVD from the OEM manufacturer?


Like Brammy, I've also done this (with HP and with Dell) - both insisted on charging me for the media to restore my own, fully paid for, system.
P.S. and with the HP, it was the restore partition that was FUBAR'd, so I could not make my own restore disc(s). Their tech support apparently didn't give a d*mn - they charge for OEM restore media, period.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:02 AM

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No sorry, when i write in a forum what matters for me is to convey my message, not literature.


My last comment too. If you cannot write in a grammatically correct manner, then inherently the "message" of your post will be unintelligible or at best, imprecise. That's the whole point of writing (and speaking) in a technically correct manner - to express yourself with precision and clear meaning.
To paraphrase Gary Larson, you come off sounding like:
"blah blah blah windows good blah blah blah blah apple bad blah blah blah..."
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:49 AM

/ignore gx_saurav
I do wish there was an environmentally friendly way to spray for trolls.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:27 AM

This thread is a total waste of time and bandwidth! /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 01:42 AM

Please please Please don't stop replying to this thread. I'll now make sure that my posts will have structured grammar and polished language.
I'm a new Mac OS X user who didn't like OS X very much. I definitely have some misconceptions. So please correct it. I'm interested in trying Mac OS X, but I've run into problems and have found flaws. Is it compulsary that I should like OS X 100%?
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 04:10 PM

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MacOS X isn't a bad operating system. Even Mac hardware isn't. It is some of the most beautifully designed Hardware out there.
Mac just looks good & doesn't provides anything good over Windows other then not many virus out there.
Any OEM computer comes with some sort of security suite whether it is Norton or Mcafee or Kaspersky, but at least it comes with one & most of the time that does the job just fine.
-not "not many". try NO viruses. i can leave my mac connected to internet, awake, firewall disabled all weekend (week, month, year..) and not have a care in the world about being infected by a virus. try that with a windows box. i DARE you.
Microsoft also releases periodically patches for the Operating systems & a fully patched system is better protected then Mac or Linux is out of the box.
-see above and i repeat- i DARE you.
These 2 things take out the biggest weak point in Windows, security.
2nd comes the VFM. Well, those who bought XP Pro 6 years ago are still using it & it still rox. If $300 for an OS which you will run for everyday in the next 6 years is too much to ask (Well, actually it is) then $130 for an OS which you will use for one year only is also too much to ask.
-the flaw with your reasoning is that someone who paid the initial $130 for panther (or got it free with their machine for that matter) could have gone this whole time without spending another dime. sure, lets talk VFM.
You cannot upgrade your Mac, & no any normal PCI card or PCIe Graphics card won't work in Mac Pro too. If you call upgrading RAM as upgrading the computer then you should take a lesson in computing. Macs are hardly any VFM.
-i have never felt the need or desire to upgrade a cpu or video card. motherboards and chipsets change so frequently that if such a time has passed that my computer is feeling woefully slow, after maxing out the ram, i would for sure hand it down and simply buy a new machine. other things like optical drive and HDD can be easily replaced/upgraded.
Now come to Macbooks, they are highly outdated & over prices. A Macbook comes with 64 MB GMA 950 when Intel themselves provides support for upto 224 MB shared RAM with GMA 950. Why isn't apple using it to the Max?
-please show me a laptop with all the same standard features for a considerable savings.
Second thing, heat issues. It is indeed correct that Macbook Pro is very thin, just 1 inch thick. But that creates more problem than it solves such as overheating issue.
-so you would rather lug around a 2 inch thick lapbrick than have a machine that gets hot. i know a lot of people who would strongly dissagree.
Lets come to the bundles application & UI. Mac UI is cluttered, you end up with so many Windows open on screen when u only need one or 2, ever heard about keeping your desk clean Mac users? I used expose in Mac & thanks god MS didn't provided it in Vista. Expose is needed in Mac due to very bad window switching via keyboard. You need to press commandtab to switch between different applications & then command` to switch between different Windows of same applications.
-you want to talk about cluttered? my god, i get a headache using windows for only a few minutes. the average windows user keeps a shortcut for every application they use on the desktop, along with documents, various adware/spyware installers, etc. i can also minimize any window i wish just like windows
I just mentioned how much the dock sux cos it provides no info about "How many IM Windows of Yahoo Messenger do i have open?". Expose is vital for the UI of Mac, & is not required for Windows where we have a unified window switching method. Alttab also known as FlipTab.

-interesting, i guess if it's a feature you badly need (chat much?)....

If you don't have iLife, then you don't have a good out of the box experience. Macs don't even come with a good Photo Management application inbuilt. Preview is nothing & iPhoto also isn't any good if you want to manage things your way.

-as already beaten to death, ilife has come with macs for years. iphoto is better than any OEM photo suite i have seen on windows, i'm thinking this is a case of not being familiar with it.



Here are the major flaws:

1) No option to cut and paste files between drives. (The most major flaw, IMHO)

-already said, but you can hold command and drag a file from one drive to another with the same effect. this is a flaw like saying vista sucks because it doesn't have an apple menu in the top left corner of the screen.

2) Non-Standard & weird keyboard navigation. Requires modifier keys for simple thing which have dedicated Keys on Keyboard such as delete or insert or print screen.

-non-standard eh? does MS have another "standard" us crazy mac folk aren't screaming to adopt?

3) No option to customize the default looks of the OS in the OS itself other then changing some fonts only & a selection of gray or aqua buttons.

-if you can use third party apps to (partially) protect your computer from virus, then you can also count candybar for os x customization.

4) Finder doesn't provide icon spacing, address bar or tabbed navigation such as Path Finder or Windows Explorer breadcrumb bar. You cannot drag a file & go up one level while the file still staying in drag.

-column view. i wouldn't use anything else.

5) iTunes has no support to play any music format other then mp3 & mp4. You will need to convert all your songs if they are in other format, if you want them to play in iTunes. This despite of having a solid QuickTime backend. Power DVD or FFDSHow or Orban play MP4 & M4A in WMP fine cos they are all direct show based. But despite of QuickTime based iTunes doesn't play any music format including wma other then mp3 & aac.

-you mean other than .wav, .aiff, apple lossless..... the only file format you mentioned that itunes doesn't support is WMP. does it offend you to hear that the only people who care about WMP are windows users?

6) Dock doesn't group different Windows.

-at first you say it doesn't seperate a million messenger windows and now you say it doesn't group them. i'm not sure what to believe anymore.

7) There is no way to find how many windows a single application has opened. Such as if Yahoo Messenger is on & there are 3 windows then dock will not show that there are three windows open. You will need to use either expose or command
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-you say there is "no way" and then go on to explain how we do it. amazing!
No Out of the box Photo Management application. iPhoto required you to buy iLife, & still lacks in many ways such as lack of tree based navigation. You have to rely on it the way it wants to. There are not many customization options in iPhoto.
-again, "no out of the box photo management app" while referencing iPhoto which is... wait for it... THE OUT OF THE BOX PHOTO MANAGEMENT APP?!?!? good god man!
9) Windows do not maximize, limiting the zooming capabilities of Safari or Finder. You end up with many Windows on your screen, which you don't even require.
-if i do not require multiple windows OS X does not force me to have them. talk about multiple windows, how long has it taken IE to get tabbed browsing?
10) Close apps does not means exiting them. You need to press Command+Q to exit an application.
-there are many ways to exit an application, and unless you're conditioned to windows it's common knowledge (and something i hope you are capable of learning). quit using the application menu, control-click it's dock icon, or in most cases just pressing that red button. there are only a few exceptions to which i don't have an excuse for other than to say it doesn't bother me.
11) You cannot resize Windows from any side. Just the south east corner.
-and until i can resize windows from the southwest corner i will just suffer a horible existance. no really.
12) Lack of 3rd party applications. There are applications but they all do almost the same thing. They just look good without providing anything new in most cases.
-are you serious? just because there isn't the overabundance of UTTER CRAP software that windows is cluttered with? i can find an application to allow me to do anything i've ever wanted to do with my computer. i don't know what you're missing.
13) No Unified Uninstaller to uninstall an application & remove all the preference & helper files it has. (Like in Windows' "Add/Remove PRograms")
-yeah, i really miss having to go through the uninstaller. dragging the app icon to the trash is the pits.
14) iMovie is not included with Mac OS. If you want to run it on old version of Mac OS X you will need to buy iLife.
-same as iphoto, this comes standard. imovie is LEAPS AND BOUNDS better than any fully functioning movie editing suite that comes with a windows box.
15) QuickTime requires you to buy the Pro version to play videos full screen. Mac OS X won';t play full screen videos out of the box & neither VCDs. VLC Player is a must.
-well, if VLC is a must it's a good thing it's FREE. if the default windows media player is able to do full screen i am going to have A FIT!
16) No option to "Create a new file" in Finder by default.
-can you explain why i would want to "create a new file" in the finder? how would that work exactly?
17) It asks you to enter password just for simple installation like installing DivX Codec or install an iContainer in Candybar.
-to ensure that your little sister isn't installing a bunch of crap onto your computer while you're away, and to make sure you haven't accidentally clicked a link to download something you didn't want. make sense yet?
18) This can be attributed to the pathetic keyboard based nevigation in Mac OS. In Windows or Linux, by just pressing the Tab button, I can cycle between the controls & boxes or check boxes in an application. You know, more like that tab button acts as "Next form" button in those OS.
-wow.... that's, amazing? i'll get the OS X developers on that right away- i'm sure they'll see the urgency.
In Mac OS it is nothing like that, seriously this is a very simple thing. Who uses a mouse always anyway?
19) Page zoom in Firefox & Safari both is bad. It just zooms or increses the text size, i seriously miss the Page zoom of IE 7 which is best.
-i've never felt the need to page zoom. these are some serious nit-picky "flaws" you're coming up with.
Now some really good features worth mentioning in Mac OS X
1) System wide spell check. It is available everywhere even Yahoo Messenger or TextEdit
2) iSync which automatically syncs with your mobile phone & copies the contact to Mac Address book. Then it is available anywhere.
3) Bluetooth for phone - Out of the box, in Windows Vista you can only send or recieve files from the phone to computer or vice versa. However in Mac you can nevigate the phone file system using bluetooth.
Out of the box, Windows Vista doesn't comes with spell check. You can install 3rd party application such as SpellMagic though but it is not in Windows by default.
The Windows Mobility centre acts as a central hub for all your mobile phone needs but the problem is it only works with Windows Mobile phones. So, it is next to useless cos Windows Mobile Phones cost a lot & are generally PDAs. For Sony Ericsson phones you can use Float Mobile Agent or My Phone Exploer, both are free.
If something is not there in Windows, chances are there is an alternative available for free. Unlike safari, which requires you to buy Saft for $!2 just for configuring it.


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