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Apache losing ground says another survey
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:43 PM
I'm a huge fan of Apache.
Since this article specifically pertains to fortune 1000 companies, I'd be curious to see an analysis of corporate website uptime between IIS and Apache. Application availability is obviously a serious measure in the corporate IT world.
Since this article specifically pertains to fortune 1000 companies, I'd be curious to see an analysis of corporate website uptime between IIS and Apache. Application availability is obviously a serious measure in the corporate IT world.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:59 PM
I find this amazing. Most enterprise IT people that I know would not trust Windows to host their main servers due to security issues. This is specific to Telecom and Finance.
We dumped IIS 5/ Windows 2000 when we discovered that a bunch of high school kids had hacked the server and set it up to be a Music sharing pirate site.
We dumped IIS 5/ Windows 2000 when we discovered that a bunch of high school kids had hacked the server and set it up to be a Music sharing pirate site.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 01:03 PM
I'm sure IIS has risen in share primarily due to the stability and security issues resolved in 6.0. Versions 5.0 and below crashed often and had many security holes. The other reason for its rise is ASP.NET. Compiled code on the server side is easier to code and manage than the old ASP 3.0 and below mesh of mark-up language and script code.
IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 03:20 PM
MacTel is right, that there has been remarkable improvements in ASP and IIS6. And that's because Microsoft is pushing 'the next big thing' for the company since Windows and MS Office: Sharepoint.
Microsoft needs new growth directions, a refresh from serving us the "same bowl of salad" from their software arsenal. And SharePoint is that 'asian salad with the balsamic vinegar'. SharePoint finally brings collaboration and documentation management to a global front with more ease than has ever been possible with the MS Office suite. And to run that, you need a strong web application framework and set of Internet-based services for servers that understands SharePoint and Office: ASP.Net and IIS.
Yep, there's gonna be a rise in ASP and IIS, cause SharePoint is MS's Trillion Dollar Baby Salad. (Sorry to sound like I'm selling MS stuff; just trying to show that this new direction is going to need ASP, IIS, Windows Server, etc.)
Microsoft needs new growth directions, a refresh from serving us the "same bowl of salad" from their software arsenal. And SharePoint is that 'asian salad with the balsamic vinegar'. SharePoint finally brings collaboration and documentation management to a global front with more ease than has ever been possible with the MS Office suite. And to run that, you need a strong web application framework and set of Internet-based services for servers that understands SharePoint and Office: ASP.Net and IIS.
Yep, there's gonna be a rise in ASP and IIS, cause SharePoint is MS's Trillion Dollar Baby Salad. (Sorry to sound like I'm selling MS stuff; just trying to show that this new direction is going to need ASP, IIS, Windows Server, etc.)
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 03:22 PM
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IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
IIS 6.0 comes up to par with Apache in performance and security, generally, but far surpasses it in developer and administrator ease-of-use. It's really the latter that sells these days. When you can download free (as in beer) stuff from Microsoft and get a great IDE and a simple, powerful language (C#) backed by a feature-rich library (.NET), and then buy a server with nice built-in GUI tools and easy installation and maintenance, it's worth the money you pay for it.
I'm speaking from someone who writes Java for a living and uses Macs at home, so I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But they do have a much clearer story on how to buy, learn, develop, deploy, maintain a site than the open source community (or Apple) has put together.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 05:19 PM
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IIS 6.0 comes up to par with Apache in performance and security, generally, but far surpasses it in developer and administrator ease-of-use. It's really the latter that sells these days. When you can download free (as in beer) stuff from Microsoft and get a great IDE and a simple, powerful language (C#) backed by a feature-rich library (.NET), and then buy a server with nice built-in GUI tools and easy installation and maintenance, it's worth the money you pay for it.
I'm speaking from someone who writes Java for a living and uses Macs at home, so I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But they do have a much clearer story on how to buy, learn, develop, deploy, maintain a site than the open source community (or Apple) has put together.
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IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
IIS 6.0 was essentially coming up to par with Apache in many respects.
IIS 6.0 comes up to par with Apache in performance and security, generally, but far surpasses it in developer and administrator ease-of-use. It's really the latter that sells these days. When you can download free (as in beer) stuff from Microsoft and get a great IDE and a simple, powerful language (C#) backed by a feature-rich library (.NET), and then buy a server with nice built-in GUI tools and easy installation and maintenance, it's worth the money you pay for it.
I'm speaking from someone who writes Java for a living and uses Macs at home, so I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. But they do have a much clearer story on how to buy, learn, develop, deploy, maintain a site than the open source community (or Apple) has put together.
Oh I definitely agree from my perspective! I'm sure others would disagree depending on what tools they use to develop for Apache and administer it.
I haven't admin'd Apache but I have admin'd MySQL and the admin tools for that have come a long way. Observing that, I'd suspect there are some nice admin tools out there for Apache as well.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 05:58 PM
Uh, have you seen what OS X server does to make things easier?
Nice stuff.
Apple just needs to coherently focus on business more.
They probably aren't as enthralled by it, because the business market can be a lot lower margins than the consumer market.
Nice stuff.
Apple just needs to coherently focus on business more.
They probably aren't as enthralled by it, because the business market can be a lot lower margins than the consumer market.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 08:59 PM
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Uh, have you seen what OS X server does to make things easier?
Nice stuff.
Apple just needs to coherently focus on business more.
They probably aren't as enthralled by it, because the business market can be a lot lower margins than the consumer market.
Uh, have you seen what OS X server does to make things easier?
Nice stuff.
Apple just needs to coherently focus on business more.
They probably aren't as enthralled by it, because the business market can be a lot lower margins than the consumer market.
No, but I would like to check it out sometime and gain that perspective. Hopefully my new employer will be willing to give the Xserve a try. My current boss is anti-Apple and Linux.
I'm sure Apple has made the admin tools well thought out. I can't wait to see Leopard Server in that regard.
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Posted 20 August 2007 - 11:12 AM
I agree with the general postings here, coming from a LAMP(Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL) developer. I love my PHP and all the advances each versions brings, as well as MySQL, but I must say, I am working closely at work w/ a .NET programmer for some of our sites now, and so we now have half of our sites on my LAMP setup, and then our much more involved ones on IIS. Yet as much as I would like to argue to bring it back to LAMP, I must say it is far easier for my .NET programmer to roll stuff out then it is for me, no doubt related to the .NET framework. I have tried lots of various frameworks and tools for PHP, including PEAR (which has all kinds of include problems depending on the exact server setup, not always in my control) and then the MySQL tools.
But the few times I have looked at the .NET platform, I have to admit that MS has architected something that really makes developers not want to leave it, as they do everything for you and surround you in tools that do most of the work for you.
When jobs are on the line, and deadlines and other pressures, having all of that work done for you sure makes it far harder to justify going the self-made and self-put-together route. I have my "framework" I have built over the past 8+ years, but I still can't roll out stuff nearly as fast as a .NET person could. I know several other mac-diehards that are .NET developers, and while they are interested in learning PHP, they aren't all that enticed from what they hear, not good.
I love open-source, but it needs to be put together more simply for deployment and especially development. For my environment, MAMP has been a savior for a dev environment, but that can't be rolled out for actual production, and it doesn't have all the dev tools you would still need, just the environment. But it is a step in the right direction.
Just my 2 cents, but I can see why this is moving this direction, as PHP is good for people to grab for free and learn, but for big deployments, it does not have the tools to really pull it out.
But the few times I have looked at the .NET platform, I have to admit that MS has architected something that really makes developers not want to leave it, as they do everything for you and surround you in tools that do most of the work for you.
When jobs are on the line, and deadlines and other pressures, having all of that work done for you sure makes it far harder to justify going the self-made and self-put-together route. I have my "framework" I have built over the past 8+ years, but I still can't roll out stuff nearly as fast as a .NET person could. I know several other mac-diehards that are .NET developers, and while they are interested in learning PHP, they aren't all that enticed from what they hear, not good.
I love open-source, but it needs to be put together more simply for deployment and especially development. For my environment, MAMP has been a savior for a dev environment, but that can't be rolled out for actual production, and it doesn't have all the dev tools you would still need, just the environment. But it is a step in the right direction.
Just my 2 cents, but I can see why this is moving this direction, as PHP is good for people to grab for free and learn, but for big deployments, it does not have the tools to really pull it out.
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